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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 08 2015 03:25 GMT
#721
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


Come on, it's obviously him.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 08 2015 03:58 GMT
#722
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....

Its him, he and his moderators in his twitch chat all deny it but its pretty obvious lol
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 08 2015 04:42 GMT
#723
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


My bad. Sarcasm conveys poorly on the Internet. Haha.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 04:54 GMT
#724
On June 08 2015 11:13 Kinie wrote:
So what's the tl;dr on Ryze? Is it a case of Riot fucking up hardcore and letting him get away with something he shouldn't be able to do? I know they buffed him this patch but I didn't think anything affected his W? Or is it because of his passive and ult getting its buffs that're allowing this stuff to happen?


On June 08 2015 11:25 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 11:16 Caiada wrote:
On June 08 2015 11:13 Kinie wrote:
So what's the tl;dr on Ryze? Is it a case of Riot fucking up hardcore and letting him get away with something he shouldn't be able to do? I know they buffed him this patch but I didn't think anything affected his W? Or is it because of his passive and ult getting its buffs that're allowing this stuff to happen?


He could do this before, but only at 16.

Being able to solo people before then gets him so far ahead he can then 1v2+. The potential was there pre-5.10, and he wasn't really 10% winrate worse than now, but the buffs were big. People also figured out what to level early. His early game went quickly from shit to godtier.


So, people realized that now that Q isn't a point and click damage burst, they instead max the OTHER point and click damage burst, which just so happens to SNARE the target too? And oh, by the way, if you know what the fuck you're doing when you mash the keyboard they get perma-snared and the enemy has NOTHING they can do to stop it?

If it was me, I'd just nerf it so that the W snare applies a buff to the enemy target that prevents them from getting snared by Ryze W for 6/5/4/3/2 seconds.


Basically. The problem with pre-Buff Ryze was he was one of the worst laners in the game. Now he is a terrible laner when he isn't close to activating passive, but then amazing when he can activate it at will. Basically, think of him as a kind of AP Gnar in that way. If you nerf his W like that you might balance him temporarily, but you still have a champion with a kit that is terrible for laning (unless its ridiculously overtuned like it is now). He needs better waveclear to have a sustainable kit longterm, or they should make his passive not be inactive/active (Gnar Style) because its just bad game design.
Freeeeeeedom
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
June 08 2015 05:08 GMT
#725
Current Ryze with waveclear and something like his old passive would be the most boring champ in the game.

He should/probably will be balanced around Q. Right now Q is irrelevant because you just burn it for CDs, hope it hits, and if it doesn't, too bad, WE killed them anyway. If it was dependent on chaining Qs, you've actually got to hit shit, and now Ryze is balanced.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 05:26 GMT
#726
On June 08 2015 14:08 Caiada wrote:
Current Ryze with waveclear and something like his old passive would be the most boring champ in the game.

He should/probably will be balanced around Q. Right now Q is irrelevant because you just burn it for CDs, hope it hits, and if it doesn't, too bad, WE killed them anyway. If it was dependent on chaining Qs, you've actually got to hit shit, and now Ryze is balanced.


But Q is a shitty move. It cant be used for trading, or waveclear, or harass, or poke. Basically its good for contesting neutral objectives only. Basically, your Ryze is a Mundo that uses mana and has a significant amount of his power dependent on the # of orbs he has.
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 08 2015 05:49 GMT
#727
I thought cleavers were amazing for csing.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 08 2015 05:57 GMT
#728
Cleaver is now amazing for CSing. It refunds the full amount of it kills a creep!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 06:34 GMT
#729
On June 08 2015 14:49 Ketara wrote:
I thought cleavers were amazing for csing.


They are, but are also basically free now, and Dr. Mundo is basically the type of champion that Riot seems to be trying to move away from. I wouldn't mind Ryze as one of those "if I'm not 30 CS behind I'm ahead" champions, but I doubt that would be allowed for very long. Also, mid-lategame Mundo is a pretty good splitpusher with his W/R, better poker because of Q's % HP, and can chase well with Q. It just seems like that proposal is a super-extreme AP Mundo. Plus the orb management, which I think is bad based on what we have seen with Gnar (to a lesser extent, Rengar).
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 08 2015 07:21 GMT
#730
The orb thing is bad but those comparisons confuse the issue
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 07:47 GMT
#731
I don't know why its confusing the issue. It seems they don't want to give him waveclear, they took away his lane bully potential intentionally(and gave it back unintentionally, and will obviously be removing that). He only has 1 single target CC, which is really maximized in that lane bully scenario. I also doubt (nor want) they are giving Ryze a dash. So what kind of levers are you left with besides teamfight-oriented tankiness and damage?
Freeeeeeedom
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 08 2015 07:50 GMT
#732
On June 08 2015 12:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


Come on, it's obviously him.

i never understood how he gets so much farm and carries so hard from jungle
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
June 08 2015 08:55 GMT
#733
I beat ryze as top upgot, seems to work pretty well both in harass situations and all in situations because the suppression takes a lot of the time of the passive active and the damage reduction passive, despite the fact that I'm not a good urgot and I fed the rest of the game after laning phase.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 08 2015 09:38 GMT
#734
Pretty sure Vladimir etc. beat Ryze as well for similar reasons. The pool takes so much time off his passive and ult and his sustain is super powerful.
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 08 2015 10:58 GMT
#735
is it just me or does volibear get super fed and unkillable every single game he's in in solo queue?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 08 2015 11:06 GMT
#736
also im trying to play ekko, how the fuck do you get past laning phase not with a massive deficit in cs? his laning seems to be really bad imo.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 08 2015 12:34 GMT
#737
On June 08 2015 20:06 IMoperator wrote:
also im trying to play ekko, how the fuck do you get past laning phase not with a massive deficit in cs? his laning seems to be really bad imo.


Stoo trying to srun with W cuz just the shield wins you trades. Use E to dodge spells then go hard.

Same as fizz really. Dodge, attack, gtfo.

You get to dodge a spell, port to them with a shield, proc your passive with the run fast and the Q slow and dip til your skills back on cd having won the trade handily. All skill shot mages should get bodied by him. You just can't be aggressive against them in lane till you're ahead.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 08 2015 12:37 GMT
#738
Yeah I have no idea what you're doing specifically but most Ekkos I've seen lose laning phase hard were liberally using W.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 15:59:00
June 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#739
So i'm watching the chinese female LOL league...

cs @ 10 minutes
mid morg: 34
top laners: 42 and 56
adc's: 54 and 63

edit: a caitlyn with bf sword just missed 4 out of 6 minions under tower o.0
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
June 08 2015 16:04 GMT
#740
On June 09 2015 00:57 killerdog wrote:
So i'm watching the chinese female LOL league...

cs @ 10 minutes
mid morg: 34
top laners: 42 and 56
adc's: 54 and 63

edit: a caitlyn with bf sword just missed 4 out of 6 minions under tower o.0

How qt are they though?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
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