• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:44
CEST 05:44
KST 12:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow2[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy5GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow JD's Ro24 review The Korean Terminology Thread so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2886 users

[Patch 5.10] Ekko General Discussion - Page 37

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 42 Next All
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 08 2015 03:25 GMT
#721
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


Come on, it's obviously him.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 08 2015 03:58 GMT
#722
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....

Its him, he and his moderators in his twitch chat all deny it but its pretty obvious lol
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 08 2015 04:42 GMT
#723
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


My bad. Sarcasm conveys poorly on the Internet. Haha.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 04:54 GMT
#724
On June 08 2015 11:13 Kinie wrote:
So what's the tl;dr on Ryze? Is it a case of Riot fucking up hardcore and letting him get away with something he shouldn't be able to do? I know they buffed him this patch but I didn't think anything affected his W? Or is it because of his passive and ult getting its buffs that're allowing this stuff to happen?


On June 08 2015 11:25 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 11:16 Caiada wrote:
On June 08 2015 11:13 Kinie wrote:
So what's the tl;dr on Ryze? Is it a case of Riot fucking up hardcore and letting him get away with something he shouldn't be able to do? I know they buffed him this patch but I didn't think anything affected his W? Or is it because of his passive and ult getting its buffs that're allowing this stuff to happen?


He could do this before, but only at 16.

Being able to solo people before then gets him so far ahead he can then 1v2+. The potential was there pre-5.10, and he wasn't really 10% winrate worse than now, but the buffs were big. People also figured out what to level early. His early game went quickly from shit to godtier.


So, people realized that now that Q isn't a point and click damage burst, they instead max the OTHER point and click damage burst, which just so happens to SNARE the target too? And oh, by the way, if you know what the fuck you're doing when you mash the keyboard they get perma-snared and the enemy has NOTHING they can do to stop it?

If it was me, I'd just nerf it so that the W snare applies a buff to the enemy target that prevents them from getting snared by Ryze W for 6/5/4/3/2 seconds.


Basically. The problem with pre-Buff Ryze was he was one of the worst laners in the game. Now he is a terrible laner when he isn't close to activating passive, but then amazing when he can activate it at will. Basically, think of him as a kind of AP Gnar in that way. If you nerf his W like that you might balance him temporarily, but you still have a champion with a kit that is terrible for laning (unless its ridiculously overtuned like it is now). He needs better waveclear to have a sustainable kit longterm, or they should make his passive not be inactive/active (Gnar Style) because its just bad game design.
Freeeeeeedom
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
June 08 2015 05:08 GMT
#725
Current Ryze with waveclear and something like his old passive would be the most boring champ in the game.

He should/probably will be balanced around Q. Right now Q is irrelevant because you just burn it for CDs, hope it hits, and if it doesn't, too bad, WE killed them anyway. If it was dependent on chaining Qs, you've actually got to hit shit, and now Ryze is balanced.
XDG Mata
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 05:26 GMT
#726
On June 08 2015 14:08 Caiada wrote:
Current Ryze with waveclear and something like his old passive would be the most boring champ in the game.

He should/probably will be balanced around Q. Right now Q is irrelevant because you just burn it for CDs, hope it hits, and if it doesn't, too bad, WE killed them anyway. If it was dependent on chaining Qs, you've actually got to hit shit, and now Ryze is balanced.


But Q is a shitty move. It cant be used for trading, or waveclear, or harass, or poke. Basically its good for contesting neutral objectives only. Basically, your Ryze is a Mundo that uses mana and has a significant amount of his power dependent on the # of orbs he has.
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 08 2015 05:49 GMT
#727
I thought cleavers were amazing for csing.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 08 2015 05:57 GMT
#728
Cleaver is now amazing for CSing. It refunds the full amount of it kills a creep!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 06:34 GMT
#729
On June 08 2015 14:49 Ketara wrote:
I thought cleavers were amazing for csing.


They are, but are also basically free now, and Dr. Mundo is basically the type of champion that Riot seems to be trying to move away from. I wouldn't mind Ryze as one of those "if I'm not 30 CS behind I'm ahead" champions, but I doubt that would be allowed for very long. Also, mid-lategame Mundo is a pretty good splitpusher with his W/R, better poker because of Q's % HP, and can chase well with Q. It just seems like that proposal is a super-extreme AP Mundo. Plus the orb management, which I think is bad based on what we have seen with Gnar (to a lesser extent, Rengar).
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 08 2015 07:21 GMT
#730
The orb thing is bad but those comparisons confuse the issue
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2015 07:47 GMT
#731
I don't know why its confusing the issue. It seems they don't want to give him waveclear, they took away his lane bully potential intentionally(and gave it back unintentionally, and will obviously be removing that). He only has 1 single target CC, which is really maximized in that lane bully scenario. I also doubt (nor want) they are giving Ryze a dash. So what kind of levers are you left with besides teamfight-oriented tankiness and damage?
Freeeeeeedom
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 08 2015 07:50 GMT
#732
On June 08 2015 12:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 12:06 kongoline wrote:
wait so its really his gf ? i was convinced its xj9 hiding his identity cuz of bans on twitch/league, even playing the same champions ....


Come on, it's obviously him.

i never understood how he gets so much farm and carries so hard from jungle
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
June 08 2015 08:55 GMT
#733
I beat ryze as top upgot, seems to work pretty well both in harass situations and all in situations because the suppression takes a lot of the time of the passive active and the damage reduction passive, despite the fact that I'm not a good urgot and I fed the rest of the game after laning phase.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 08 2015 09:38 GMT
#734
Pretty sure Vladimir etc. beat Ryze as well for similar reasons. The pool takes so much time off his passive and ult and his sustain is super powerful.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 08 2015 10:58 GMT
#735
is it just me or does volibear get super fed and unkillable every single game he's in in solo queue?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 08 2015 11:06 GMT
#736
also im trying to play ekko, how the fuck do you get past laning phase not with a massive deficit in cs? his laning seems to be really bad imo.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 08 2015 12:34 GMT
#737
On June 08 2015 20:06 IMoperator wrote:
also im trying to play ekko, how the fuck do you get past laning phase not with a massive deficit in cs? his laning seems to be really bad imo.


Stoo trying to srun with W cuz just the shield wins you trades. Use E to dodge spells then go hard.

Same as fizz really. Dodge, attack, gtfo.

You get to dodge a spell, port to them with a shield, proc your passive with the run fast and the Q slow and dip til your skills back on cd having won the trade handily. All skill shot mages should get bodied by him. You just can't be aggressive against them in lane till you're ahead.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 08 2015 12:37 GMT
#738
Yeah I have no idea what you're doing specifically but most Ekkos I've seen lose laning phase hard were liberally using W.
Hey! How you doin'?
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 15:59:00
June 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#739
So i'm watching the chinese female LOL league...

cs @ 10 minutes
mid morg: 34
top laners: 42 and 56
adc's: 54 and 63

edit: a caitlyn with bf sword just missed 4 out of 6 minions under tower o.0
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
June 08 2015 16:04 GMT
#740
On June 09 2015 00:57 killerdog wrote:
So i'm watching the chinese female LOL league...

cs @ 10 minutes
mid morg: 34
top laners: 42 and 56
adc's: 54 and 63

edit: a caitlyn with bf sword just missed 4 out of 6 minions under tower o.0

How qt are they though?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 42 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group B
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft507
RuFF_SC2 232
Nina 80
UpATreeSC 77
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5756
ggaemo 63
Leta 54
Sexy 32
scan(afreeca) 29
Noble 22
NaDa 15
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm145
Counter-Strike
taco 567
m0e_tv328
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King80
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor90
Other Games
summit1g19122
JimRising 616
ViBE542
C9.Mang0516
Maynarde114
febbydoto22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick624
Counter-Strike
PGL334
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 20
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo996
• Rush822
• Stunt227
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 17m
Wardi Open
6h 17m
Afreeca Starleague
6h 17m
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 17m
OSC
20h 17m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 6h
GSL
1d 8h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Escore
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
IPSL
5 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.