EPT[Patch 5.10] Ekko General Discussion - Page 42
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Deriao
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Ansibled
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Gahlo
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Seuss
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On June 10 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote: I think Riot still wants point and click. But they want them to be the "reliable" form of CC to separate from the unreliable skillshots such as from Vi (a more recent example). If everything is reliable, then nothing is. Since most older champions have 'reliable' CC, Riot wants an environment which the unreliable versions exist as a contrast to the reliable ones. If you look at "reliable" point and click CC (e.g. no practical counters aside from Cleanse/QSS/Mikael's/Black Shield), I count 6 total in the game: + Show Spoiler + Annie (passive) Fiddle (Q) Lisandra (ult) Lulu (W) Rammus (E) Taric (E) Urgot (ult) I probably missed something somewhere, but for the most part everything else allows some control of the character (i.e. slows, roots, silences, blinds), or has some means of being countered (e.g. Maokai W, Malzahar ult, Jarvan ult). If you expand outward into reliable Roots and Silences we're still only in the single digits, and at that point you have to start discussing why Kassadin, Soraka, and Sion lost their reliable CCs. We're so far from the number of reliable CCs being a problem that the lack thereof is actually a bigger problem. | ||
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Sonnington
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Slayer91
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Ansibled
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Frolossus
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i don't really understand how riot tries to balance kat. every change pushes her more into a feast or famine state leblanc change will help out a lot of characters that struggle to lane against her. orianna nerf is unnecessary and honestly adds more limitations to the character despite riot's intentions. i find frequently in early mid game i need the ball to reset so i can flash ult with it on top of me. nerf prevents this. ryze not getting touched is unfortunate. the best change of the patch seems to be "The rank 5 Champion Mastery emote is now visible to the enemy team." | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On June 10 2015 06:27 Frolossus wrote: ryze not getting touched is unfortunate. I'm happy they're (intentionally or otherwise) giving ryze more time to settle before making changes. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On June 10 2015 06:31 Eiii wrote: I'm happy they're (intentionally or otherwise) giving ryze more time to settle before making changes. The annoying thing is that they didn't before buffing him. In China and Korea we started to see Ryze get played competitively before the buffs. | ||
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sob3k
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Lylat
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krndandaman
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Frolossus
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On June 10 2015 06:57 krndandaman wrote: on a tangent, interestingly enough you can also dodge a vi ult with ekko ult. it also forces it on cd :x you can dodge a vi ult with anything that makes you untargetable yeah? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 10 2015 06:08 Seuss wrote: If you look at "reliable" point and click CC (e.g. no practical counters aside from Cleanse/QSS/Mikael's/Black Shield), I count 6 total in the game: + Show Spoiler + Annie (passive) Fiddle (Q) Lisandra (ult) Lulu (W) Rammus (E) Taric (E) Urgot (ult) I probably missed something somewhere, but for the most part everything else allows some control of the character (i.e. slows, roots, silences, blinds), or has some means of being countered (e.g. Maokai W, Malzahar ult, Jarvan ult). If you expand outward into reliable Roots and Silences we're still only in the single digits, and at that point you have to start discussing why Kassadin, Soraka, and Sion lost their reliable CCs. We're so far from the number of reliable CCs being a problem that the lack thereof is actually a bigger problem. WW R Vi R Malz R Mao W Nasus W Lissandra R Are the big ones. They have mid-range and single target. | ||
NeoIllusions
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