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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 03:41:48
June 09 2015 03:39 GMT
#781
On June 09 2015 12:31 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:22 cLutZ wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.

He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.


That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.



Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.

Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.


I only care about competitive.

Edit, or rather, I only care about soloQ in that certain champions are so much worse in soloQ that Riot seems unwilling to properly deal with them in competitive. The obvious examples that come to mind right now are Lee Sin, Thresh, and RekSai.
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2015 03:40 GMT
#782
On June 09 2015 12:31 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:22 cLutZ wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.

He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.


That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.



Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.

Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.


How is Ryze not as strong as release Zyra?

Ryze has no weak lanes. He is incredibly strong late game. Has incredible kill / map pressure. Has no real inherent weakness. Is easy as all fuck to play.

Ryze right now is just silly. Ryze atm hard carries games where he didn't hard lose lane. Ryze at the moment actually just kills every single good solo laner. No one can fight him. Absolutely no one.
Deriao
Profile Joined April 2015
United States132 Posts
June 09 2015 03:41 GMT
#783
Ryze has no weak lanes

untrue
.....
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
June 09 2015 03:44 GMT
#784
On June 09 2015 12:34 Deriao wrote:
Ekko is in this week of lcs right?


He should be enabled for this week of LCS, and if LCK goes to 5.10 this week he might be enabled for them as well.

I can't wait to see how Faker does with Ekko after getting more than like 3 hours to toy around with his kit with retired pros and Korean casters.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2015 03:45 GMT
#785
On June 09 2015 12:41 Deriao wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ryze has no weak lanes

untrue


Which lanes exactly does he struggle with? Who wins a duel with Ryze when his passive is up?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 09 2015 03:45 GMT
#786
release zyra was much more broken than current ryze. At least ryze has to ramp up a little.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2015 03:48 GMT
#787
On June 09 2015 12:45 IMoperator wrote:
release zyra was much more broken than current ryze. At least ryze has to ramp up a little.


At least Zyra had to land a skill shot. Lol.

Ryze is in release Xin territory, imo. Mash buttons, fight all, kill all.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 09 2015 03:51 GMT
#788
On June 09 2015 12:40 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:31 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 09 2015 12:22 cLutZ wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.

He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.


That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.



Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.

Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.


How is Ryze not as strong as release Zyra?

Ryze has no weak lanes. He is incredibly strong late game. Has incredible kill / map pressure. Has no real inherent weakness. Is easy as all fuck to play.

Ryze right now is just silly. Ryze atm hard carries games where he didn't hard lose lane. Ryze at the moment actually just kills every single good solo laner. No one can fight him. Absolutely no one.


IIRC he is 100% win rate currently in competitive, but it's only been a week and I really think you are overreacting. I think he is pretty strong right now, but I also feel that many champions (esp. Azir) aren't really that much behind.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Deriao
Profile Joined April 2015
United States132 Posts
June 09 2015 03:53 GMT
#789
On June 09 2015 12:45 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:41 Deriao wrote:
Ryze has no weak lanes

untrue


Which lanes exactly does he struggle with? Who wins a duel with Ryze when his passive is up?

durl not sure but chogath,cassiopeia, and smite/tp fizz work though.

also seen some ekko gameplay from various eastern mids from youtube vids/streams

Westdoor: he kinda died alot,but that game was ryze
Faker: saw a stream where he played with easyhoon who played ryze (seeing a pattern)
Poohmandu: played alot strangely
Pawn: found this
.....
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 09 2015 04:11 GMT
#790
wasn't kassadin hotfixed? i remember him getting buff just after rework which immediately got reverted
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2015 04:16 GMT
#791
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.

"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.

I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.

The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 09 2015 04:40 GMT
#792
On June 09 2015 13:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.

"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.

I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.

The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers


Your examples include 1 champion that is basically 100% OP or not used, 1 that was basically unused for 2 years, and one that has a super-unique mechanic. If it were as you say, you would be citing Anivia, Volibear, Udyr, and Taric
Freeeeeeedom
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 09 2015 04:47 GMT
#793
On June 09 2015 13:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.

"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.

I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.

The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers

i think the problem is more that too many mechanics are put on individual characters
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2015 04:47 GMT
#794
On June 09 2015 13:40 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 13:16 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.

"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.

I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.

The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers


Your examples include 1 champion that is basically 100% OP or not used, 1 that was basically unused for 2 years, and one that has a super-unique mechanic. If it were as you say, you would be citing Anivia, Volibear, Udyr, and Taric

I said etc. to pretty encompass "80%" that csheep quoted, only brought up those 3 because they're in meta.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 05:58:05
June 09 2015 04:57 GMT
#795
double post sorry
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 09 2015 04:59 GMT
#796
not sure how many wins he got, but Ryze lost twice.

c9 lost with him and whoever played fnatic day2 managed to lose with him but huni vs. other eu lcs top laners I'll give that one a pass.
Carrilord has arrived.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 09 2015 05:26 GMT
#797
I can't play teambuilder because of ryze, its completely broken. You have to literally coordinate a 3 man to kill him and if you dont layer your cc perfectly he'll take two of them with him.

this is the most stupid broken thing I've seen playing league
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 07:41:16
June 09 2015 07:38 GMT
#798
Ryze looks stupid as hell. The Perma root thing cannot be played around at all.

Ekko could be gutted numbers wise, but that's not the point. One champ should not have everything he has. I just realised his ult has no cost attached. More unnecessary power for a champ that doesn't need it.

I'm quite sure Riot has jumped the shark with Ekko.

EDIT: Gypsylord just posted that they will be increasing Ekko's ult cost to 100 in 5.12. Happy days.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 09 2015 08:01 GMT
#799
if u think giving the ult 100 mana more to use is gonna solve anything idk i wish i could be optimistic like u
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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
June 09 2015 09:21 GMT
#800
On June 09 2015 17:01 FinestHour wrote:
if u think giving the ult 100 mana more to use is gonna solve anything idk i wish i could be optimistic like u

Didn't say it would. Just said it's unnecessary power the champ doesn't need.

It does open up the "I can go all in now he's out of mana and he can't escape" route though.
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