On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote: I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.
He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.
That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.
Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.
Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.
I only care about competitive.
Edit, or rather, I only care about soloQ in that certain champions are so much worse in soloQ that Riot seems unwilling to properly deal with them in competitive. The obvious examples that come to mind right now are Lee Sin, Thresh, and RekSai.
On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote: I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.
He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.
That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.
Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.
Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.
How is Ryze not as strong as release Zyra?
Ryze has no weak lanes. He is incredibly strong late game. Has incredible kill / map pressure. Has no real inherent weakness. Is easy as all fuck to play.
Ryze right now is just silly. Ryze atm hard carries games where he didn't hard lose lane. Ryze at the moment actually just kills every single good solo laner. No one can fight him. Absolutely no one.
On June 09 2015 11:39 Sufficiency wrote: I don't think Ryze needs to be disabled. But he does require a specific team comp to be shutted down and that's problematic.
He is nowhere near the level that requires disabling and/or hotfix.
That doesn't even make sense. They disable new champions for the first week they go to a patch. They also disabled Shen for like a year for a bug that would affect fewer games than current Ryze and Ekko will. Basically, they should have said the second after the last LCS game was played this week that Ryze (and Ekko) would not be available until the next patch. But it doesn't even matter at the moment because they still aren't really fixing the problems in the next patch.
Last time they hotfixed a champion on live due to balance reasons was Zyra. If you think the current Ryze is at least as powerful as release Zyra you are crazy.
Maybe I misunderstood you and you are only referring to disabling Ryze in competitive. In which case I have no opinion.
How is Ryze not as strong as release Zyra?
Ryze has no weak lanes. He is incredibly strong late game. Has incredible kill / map pressure. Has no real inherent weakness. Is easy as all fuck to play.
Ryze right now is just silly. Ryze atm hard carries games where he didn't hard lose lane. Ryze at the moment actually just kills every single good solo laner. No one can fight him. Absolutely no one.
IIRC he is 100% win rate currently in competitive, but it's only been a week and I really think you are overreacting. I think he is pretty strong right now, but I also feel that many champions (esp. Azir) aren't really that much behind.
Which lanes exactly does he struggle with? Who wins a duel with Ryze when his passive is up?
durl not sure but chogath,cassiopeia, and smite/tp fizz work though.
also seen some ekko gameplay from various eastern mids from youtube vids/streams
Westdoor: he kinda died alot,but that game was ryze Faker: saw a stream where he played with easyhoon who played ryze (seeing a pattern) Poohmandu: played alot strangely Pawn: found this
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.
"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.
I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.
The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.
"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.
I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.
The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers
Your examples include 1 champion that is basically 100% OP or not used, 1 that was basically unused for 2 years, and one that has a super-unique mechanic. If it were as you say, you would be citing Anivia, Volibear, Udyr, and Taric
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.
"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.
I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.
The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers
i think the problem is more that too many mechanics are put on individual characters
On June 09 2015 12:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The problem with Ekko and all "outplay" champions is that "outplay" is just a Riot codeword for "do stuff other champs can't do." Which is ironic, since they're all about their "fun" and "antifun" philosophy, but champions like Ekko/Fizz/Leblanc/etc. with the "outplay" potential is really just not fun for people playing against those champs.
"Outplay" and "playmaking" are absurd notions when 80% of the available champions don't have the kit to do anything remotely approaching what these champs can do. So to realize Ekko is problematic all you had to do is listen to how many times the word "outplay" and variants thereof were used the champ select.
I agree, but having those game mechanics available doesn't detract from champions like ryze, ashe, nunu, etc etc.
The problem arrises when those mechanics come with bonker numbers
Your examples include 1 champion that is basically 100% OP or not used, 1 that was basically unused for 2 years, and one that has a super-unique mechanic. If it were as you say, you would be citing Anivia, Volibear, Udyr, and Taric
I said etc. to pretty encompass "80%" that csheep quoted, only brought up those 3 because they're in meta.
I can't play teambuilder because of ryze, its completely broken. You have to literally coordinate a 3 man to kill him and if you dont layer your cc perfectly he'll take two of them with him.
this is the most stupid broken thing I've seen playing league
Ryze looks stupid as hell. The Perma root thing cannot be played around at all.
Ekko could be gutted numbers wise, but that's not the point. One champ should not have everything he has. I just realised his ult has no cost attached. More unnecessary power for a champ that doesn't need it.
I'm quite sure Riot has jumped the shark with Ekko.
EDIT: Gypsylord just posted that they will be increasing Ekko's ult cost to 100 in 5.12. Happy days.
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