EPTPre 6: 14s - 12s = 2s leftover
Post 6 (10% CDR): 12.6s - 10.8s = 1.8s
Post11 (20% CDR): 1.6s
Post 16 (30% CDR): 1.4s
So your snare needs enough levels and you have to be lvl 11 (or pick up some CDR elsewhere) to perma snare.
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Pre 6: 14s - 12s = 2s leftover Post 6 (10% CDR): 12.6s - 10.8s = 1.8s Post11 (20% CDR): 1.6s Post 16 (30% CDR): 1.4s So your snare needs enough levels and you have to be lvl 11 (or pick up some CDR elsewhere) to perma snare. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 07 2015 16:47 ticklishmusic wrote: You can't instantly QEQ after W, have to wait for a moment until part of the snare has happened so the timing works. Pre 6: 14s - 12s = 2s leftover Post 6 (10% CDR): 12.6s - 10.8s = 1.8s Post11 (20% CDR): 1.6s Post 16 (30% CDR): 1.4s So your snare needs enough levels and you have to be lvl 11 (or pick up some CDR elsewhere) to perma snare. Also have ult for reset post-6 | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Yea thanks I thought of it then forgot to put it in lol, only for the first rotation though | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 06 2015 11:46 FinestHour wrote: i mean i just dumpstered a vlad when i had no idea what ryze did apart from looking at the reddit video once people just need to not be greedy little bitches and back off when he has four orbs around him wewo COUNTERPLAY Four orbs? You need 1 orb to start the full combo at lvl 6. You are going to play around Ryze having at least 1 orb? Good luck farming. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Can somebody link me a YouTube link? Reddit blocked in indoland. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
But it's basically(at 1 orb) R E Q W then QEQW QEQW QEQW QEQW as if you could do all of those before the opponent dies. The moment you hit 3 you can flash into your opponent and 1shot them if you have at least 2 orbs. The Q and E before the first W don't even need to land, they're just for building orbs. You snare at 4. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On June 07 2015 23:14 Ketara wrote: What is this new ryze combo whatever? Can somebody link me a YouTube link? Reddit blocked in indoland. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
This is probably more comprehensive on the amount of ridiculous. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Is this only possible since 5.10? Because I remember you guys saying new ryze was shit repeatedly. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On June 07 2015 23:43 Ketara wrote: Looks balanced. Is this only possible since 5.10? Because I remember you guys saying new ryze was shit repeatedly. As anyone who played aram know he was still super strong in lategame before 5.10, but this patch they buffed ult and passives duration which is what kept him somewhat in check before. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On June 07 2015 23:43 Ketara wrote: Looks balanced. Is this only possible since 5.10? Because I remember you guys saying new ryze was shit repeatedly. He could do this at level 16 before. Could do one less rotation at 11, I think? And the duration at 1/6 was too shit to care about. A W CD nerf is inevitable, I think. Probably some lower E damage as well. I really doubt they'll change the passive. The 3/4 second passive felt like ass. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 07 2015 16:33 krndandaman wrote: for some reason i can't get the perma snare on ryze to work in game I think I'm doing it right? w to proc the passive with enough stacks, then q e q w repeat Are you maxing W? If not, do that. You get like -1.5seconds on the CD per rank. Also, I run CDR runes. The flat blues. Dunno if that necessary or not. I like to spam the things. On June 08 2015 00:45 Caiada wrote: He could do this at level 16 before. Could do one less rotation at 11, I think? And the duration at 1/6 was too shit to care about. A W CD nerf is inevitable, I think. Probably some lower E damage as well. I really doubt they'll change the passive. The 3/4 second passive felt like ass. Maybe they just make it like -3s instead of -4s or something. Even disregarding his WTF bullshit perma W lock currently, just the shear damage from E/Q when his passive is up is disgusting, so any CD nerf kinda useless since both Q/E are off CD instantly upoin using the other, so W be back off CD so fast regardless making it perma spammable anyways. I think thats the way to tackle it, make the passive -2 seconds, then -3 seconds, then -4 seconds upon ult ranks or something. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
3 second passive was able to hit twice with the snare , that should be fine. For the lvl 3 instakills etc, even nerfing it down to like 4 seconds wouldn't do much, usually the opponent is dead before your passive ends anyway. Personally, I'd do something with the snare instead. The problem with Ryze is that you need to do everything right for it to be so good, probably like 95% of the players can't use him close to his potential which makes balancing him rather difficult. It's not like he's even at 50% winrate in ranked, I believe. They could make the minimum CD reduced 0.5s instead of 0.25 and call it a day, that should be OK as well. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 08 2015 00:50 Shikyo wrote: 3 second passive was able to hit twice with the snare , that should be fine. For the lvl 3 instakills etc, even nerfing it down to like 4 seconds wouldn't do much, usually the opponent is dead before your passive ends anyway. Personally, I'd do something with the snare instead. The problem with Ryze is that you need to do everything right for it to be so good, probably like 95% of the players can't use him close to his potential which makes balancing him rather difficult. It's not like he's even at 50% winrate in ranked, I believe. Lolwut. Potential? You just get 4 orbs, then fucking mash your keyboard. how do you fuck that up? Thats like making shitty Poutine... Its Gravy, Fries and Cheese... Shit always tastes good. Its not like playing Zed or something. You cannot just like derp your combo. Its impossible. Mash the damn buttons. 4 Orbs has like 30 seconds window you can hover on it. lol. The damage is pretty ridiculous late game, actually. Single target I'd say its Casseo level, but the thing is you also have like 2k AoE damage. I've gotten 5 quadra kills just facerolling my keyboard in 15 games., | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 08 2015 00:53 iCanada wrote: Lolwut. Potential? You just get 4 orbs, then fucking mash your keyboard. how do you fuck that up? Thats like making shitty Poutine... Its Gravy, Fries and Cheese... Shit always tastes good. Its not like playing Zed or something. You cannot just like derp your combo. Its impossible. Mash the damn buttons. 4 Orbs has like 30 seconds window you can hover on it. lol. If you mash your kb it ends. It needs to be done in exactly the right order. Late game the damage is crazy yes, but he's an immobile APC who isn't even building supertanky anymore. Also, Cass has AoE as well and actual AoE hard CC. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 08 2015 00:54 Shikyo wrote: If you mash your kb it ends. It needs to be done in exactly the right order. You hit W first then you mash your keyboard.... it will always go in the right order. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I guess you do have 50% chance to do it properly mashing your keyboard, though. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 08 2015 00:59 Shikyo wrote: After every snare after the first you need to Q instead of E while both are off cd. I guess you do have 50% chance to do it properly mashing your keyboard, though. Well, I do just naturally mash Q>W>E>R I suppose. I guess if you didn't grow up 1a2a3a4a'ing you could fuck it up. Fair enough. | ||
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