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On May 23 2015 01:14 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:08 Seuss wrote:
Second, if that's really the case then either nobody will bother reporting anyone else because everyone recognizes it's just banter, or there's actually significant number of people on EUW for whom that banter is hurtful and you'll have to deal with finding a new way to banter that doesn't result in collateral damage. Any stats on how many people report others on principle, and how many because they want to fuck the guy? The point of Ansbiled's post is that history of reporting proves that receiving reports is easy and doesn't require anyone to be hurt. zzz just read teut's post.
No hard stats, but I reviewed at least a few hundred tribunal cases back in the day and never saw anyone come up who'd been reported needlessly. Except in a few cases of mild irritation, someone was always hurt.
I'm aware that there have been cases where the system has failed, and that's unfortunate, but they are rare. It takes a persistent, concerted effort to get somebody innocent into trouble. Ultimately I think you're all either up in arms needlessly, or have a far greater negative impact on your games than you suspect.
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United States47024 Posts
Everything about that reads like a repeat offender. IDK why people are freaking out like that guy was banned on first offense.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:37 TheYango wrote:Everything about that reads like a repeat offender. IDK why people are freaking out like that guy was banned on first offense.
LOL let's fuck jinx in the ass
that guy sounds fun
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This league autoban shit is pretty funny
-See guy in promos
-Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia"
-Guy rages
-Report him and try to get your team to report him too
-"Someone you reported has been banned, thanks for making LoL a better place"
-Repeat since you don't get banned for feeding
This measure won't stop toxic people, toxic people will find ways around it. It just stops the baddies that get mad over a video game every once in a while, not the chronic offenders.
+ Show Spoiler +Riot and their crusade to protect 10 year olds and socially awkward nerds
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United States47024 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:54 101toss wrote:
-Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia"
-Guy rages
People who rage that easily are honestly probably more toxic than the people trying to piss them off.
"Once in a while" is still probably not often enough to trigger a ban.
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On May 23 2015 01:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:54 101toss wrote:
-Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia"
-Guy rages People who rage that easily are honestly probably more toxic than the people trying to piss them off. "Once in a while" is still probably not often enough to trigger a ban.
That's the real problem isn't it. We have no idea what the line is.
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On May 23 2015 01:54 101toss wrote:This league autoban shit is pretty funny -See guy in promos -Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia" -Guy rages -Report him and try to get your team to report him too -"Someone you reported has been banned, thanks for making LoL a better place" -Repeat since you don't get banned for feeding This measure won't stop toxic people, toxic people will find ways around it. It just stops the baddies that get mad over a video game every once in a while, not the chronic offenders. + Show Spoiler +Riot and their crusade to protect 10 year olds and socially awkward nerds
Boy is this filled with some irony right here.
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On May 23 2015 02:00 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:56 TheYango wrote:On May 23 2015 01:54 101toss wrote:
-Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia"
-Guy rages People who rage that easily are honestly probably more toxic than the people trying to piss them off. "Once in a while" is still probably not often enough to trigger a ban. That's the real problem isn't it. We have no idea what the line is.
The initial system had a pretty simply line. Stuff like "fag", "kill yourself", the n-word and other very offensive terms would get you banned. Pretty simple and straightforward. More "mild" language like "fucking retard" or "gg noobs" didn't do anything, at least in the autodetection.
The new (current) system seems to be different, with all the chat logs we've been seeing. Presumably the old offensive terms are immediate ban, but new terms like "gg easy" as Lyte said ("'gg easy' is considered a very negative phrase by the system today") might be weighed the same as something that's actually offensive, which feels very problematic to me.
The question isn't really about false positives, it's what the threshold is. If I say "fuck this nunu", will I get banned? "Bg"? "Get good kid"? "ff20"? "I'm done"? "This warwick was boosted"? The list goes on. That one game with the log had "bg too ez" might indicate that too ez is a trigger? Who knows? All this does is promote the "mute everyone" mentality which is unhealthy for the game.
On May 23 2015 02:11 Caiada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:54 101toss wrote:This league autoban shit is pretty funny -See guy in promos -Feed really hard and throw in a few "where are my ganks" and "wow no mia" -Guy rages -Report him and try to get your team to report him too -"Someone you reported has been banned, thanks for making LoL a better place" -Repeat since you don't get banned for feeding This measure won't stop toxic people, toxic people will find ways around it. It just stops the baddies that get mad over a video game every once in a while, not the chronic offenders. + Show Spoiler +Riot and their crusade to protect 10 year olds and socially awkward nerds Boy is this filled with some irony right here.
I'm actually 10 and a half
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"based on community-driven standards of behavior"
lawl i'm pretty sure that's not true
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On May 23 2015 02:32 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +All this does is promote the "mute everyone" mentality which is unhealthy for the game. acutally isn't it the opposite? there would be less need to mute others if the ones who usually get muted are banned :x another poll to see how we are Poll: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction?No (35) 81% Yes (8) 19% 43 total votes Your vote: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Quoting myself to get MORE VOTES-
On May 23 2015 00:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Based on what Riot has said this bot is also meant to take into account how often someone gets reported - and that only in extreme cases would someone get banned off one game? Poll: Have you ever been banned (perm or temp) on League?No (51) 93% Yes (4) 7% 55 total votes Your vote: Have you ever been banned (perm or temp) on League? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Let's see how toxic you guys are :>
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On May 23 2015 02:32 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +All this does is promote the "mute everyone" mentality which is unhealthy for the game. acutally isn't it the opposite? there would be less need to mute others if the ones who usually get muted are banned :x another poll to see how we are Poll: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction?No (35) 81% Yes (8) 19% 43 total votes Your vote: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Not really, I'd imagine that the people who know they are susceptible to raging will just mute everyone and never chat, especially when it's not clear what will get you banned. I actually know quite a few people that just mute people from the moment the game loads because they get really mad when they are blamed for whatever and have gotten chat restricted in the past. You could argue that these people not talking and responding is good for the game, but then they miss out on the stuff like "ult in 15", "ward here" and other important things that the team mentions. Personally I prefer the communication, even with the shittalking mixed in.
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On May 23 2015 02:32 Dandel Ion wrote:"based on community-driven standards of behavior" lawl i'm pretty sure that's not true
I mean all that means is they probably used tribunal cases as a testing ground to determine pardon/punish decisions.
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On May 23 2015 02:54 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 02:46 101toss wrote:On May 23 2015 02:32 krndandaman wrote:All this does is promote the "mute everyone" mentality which is unhealthy for the game. acutally isn't it the opposite? there would be less need to mute others if the ones who usually get muted are banned :x another poll to see how we are Poll: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction?No (35) 81% Yes (8) 19% 43 total votes Your vote: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Not really, I'd imagine that the people who know they are susceptible to raging will just mute everyone and never chat, especially when it's not clear what will get you banned. I actually know quite a few people that just mute people from the moment the game loads because they get really mad when they are blamed for whatever and have gotten chat restricted in the past. You could argue that these people not talking is good for the game, but then you miss out on the stuff like "ult in 15", "ward here" and other important things that these people also mention. Personally I prefer the communication, even with the shittalking mixed in. interesting cause I have the opposite experience. for me muting everyone at the start of the game was because the chat was just not worth looking at in most of the games and avoid wasting my time listening to ragers affecting my play (ex. feeding top constantly tells me to gank top or he afk's. I know I shouldn't but I naturally feel pressure to gank top because he demands it). the only time I did something like that was in korea because the chatting there was utterly a cesspool. I found it much less distracting to just play with players muted and keeping english settings so that the korean text would come up as boxes. I actually climbed faster with chat off and playing was a lot more pleasant. I didn't feel like I was missing out on much. I don't do that in NA because the chat isn't nearly as bad as it was in KR, but I don't think theres much important information in chat in a normal game of soloqueue anyways. Pings are more than enough and I'm not very talkative in games anyways. If you look at my chatlogs I probably have like 1-2 lines typed in a game on average. Some games I don't say a word and just communicate through pings.
Tbh. I'd be okay with this automated system if it was implemented in every single server. Cuz I know for a fact half of kr would get banned. Lol.
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They did say the plan was to roll it out to every server over time...
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
China takes half the talent, the other half gets banned. Rip Korea
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I have to admit I once got a chat restriction. My strength in the game is map awareness and knowing where to attack/pull back and which objectives to take. The downside is that when poeple repeatedly get caught despite me warning them enough before or fail to achieve something which was safe to take then I sometimes I have to point it out. People *hate* when you point out their mistakes especially if you told them beforehand. I had to tone that part down significantly because it doesn't work out very well anyways.
I still make the calls but I try to not make comments after they don't follow it. In a real world scenario poeple tend to listen to the guys who make correct calls from my experience, allthough they are exceptions but In my proffession it is very common and detrimental to criticise the ideas of others, take criticism well and follow up on the right call, so it is hard for me to adapt to the mentality of the LoL community.
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I would argue that only self righteous people use Tribunal (+ those who just voted "yes" on every case without reading to earn free ip) and thus their standards for what's "toxic" might be lower than for average player.
On May 23 2015 02:46 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 02:32 krndandaman wrote:All this does is promote the "mute everyone" mentality which is unhealthy for the game. acutally isn't it the opposite? there would be less need to mute others if the ones who usually get muted are banned :x another poll to see how we are Poll: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction?No (35) 81% Yes (8) 19% 43 total votes Your vote: Have you ever gotten a chat restriction? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Not really, I'd imagine that the people who know they are susceptible to raging will just mute everyone and never chat, especially when it's not clear what will get you banned. I actually know quite a few people that just mute people from the moment the game loads because they get really mad when they are blamed for whatever and have gotten chat restricted in the past. You could argue that these people not talking and responding is good for the game, but then they miss out on the stuff like "ult in 15", "ward here" and other important things that the team mentions. Personally I prefer the communication, even with the shittalking mixed in.
That's my case. I don't really care about chat restrictions so I sometimes play with chat on at the risk of getting in a flame fight and getting reported just so I can read timers and calls, but now with the new system I'll probably play entirely without chat to avoid risking a ban.
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