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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:20 AlterKot wrote: Except the "extreme cases" provided are literally lighter than average banter in euw soloq. What single-offense extreme cases have we seen? The instances linked all appear to be multiple repeat offenders based on the wording of the feedback card. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On May 22 2015 23:57 TheYango wrote: I just find that really hard to believe given how low the actual numbers have always been for Tribunal relative to the player base. I think there'd be a reasonable difference looking at % of ranked player base and % of player base. I thought Tribunal hasn't been enabled for like a year since they just give out infinite chat restrictions instead. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:14 Seuss wrote: This is akin to saying "statistically if you remove Clubs from a deck of cards you're more likely to draw the Queen Spades". It's true but misleading, as it completely ignores that you're also more likely to draw everything else. If I draw 5 cards each time and queen of spades drasticaly reduces my chances to win and enjoyment of the game then of course I would rather have clubs in the deck to reduce the chance of drawing queen of spades, even if some people say clubs are toxic because they have slurs written on them. On May 23 2015 00:29 TheYango wrote: What single-offense extreme cases have we seen? The instances linked all appear to be multiple repeat offenders based on the wording of the feedback card. Hm, yeah, I may have misread that. Although I think my points still apply because it means that people who used to get chat/ranked restriction will now receive bans instead. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:30 Ansibled wrote: I think there'd be a reasonable difference looking at % of ranked player base and % of player base. I thought Tribunal hasn't been enabled for like a year since they just give out infinite chat restrictions instead. It hasn't, I was going off my memory of the %s before it got disabled, which never have been very high. Plus it was only 2% of the player base that got punished in any way, IIRC. The number of punishments that actually resulted in bans were an even smaller fraction of that. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:33 AlterKot wrote: Actually one more thing If I draw 5 cards each time and queen of spades drasticaly reduces my chances to win and enjoyment of the game then of course I would rather have clubs in the deck to reduce the chance of drawing queen of spades, even if some people say clubs are toxic because they have slurs written on them. Sure. but my analogy is flawed in that there aren't nearly as many players throwing slurs relative to the playerbase as there are clubs in a deck of cards. Really we're talking about taking half a card out of the deck at most and you're worried about drawing the other half more often. Moreover, I'm not sold on the argument that people who go "hurr durr toxic" really have a greater negative influence on the game compared to people who engage in more standing flaming/epithets. If you personally take deep offense to that and go on tilt as a result I understand that's sucky, but that's how other people feel about the slurs/misogyny/flaming that you casually write off. Try to have a little empathy. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 22 2015 23:59 Slayer91 wrote: because most players dont get mad at report people i think considering how much the average player flames it makes sense they dont report other people for doing the same its usually just the whiners who report im not sure ive ever reported anyone maybe once or twice for afking or something Yeah, I don't mind flaming much, it can be fun I report afks though, those make the game a lot less fun for me | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:34 TheYango wrote: It hasn't, I was going off my memory of the %s before it got disabled, which never have been very high. Plus it was only 2% of the player base that got punished in any way, IIRC. The number of punishments that actually resulted in bans were an even smaller fraction of that. I am just speculating how many people will get banned from seeing some of the report cards and legit that is the average of at least 1 person in EVERY game in my experience. Before the bans given out were definitely too few though so this might help but as I said it will just change the way people flame. http://imgur.com/a/JqD2C this one mensol linked earlier in the thread | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:52 Seuss wrote: Sure. but my analogy is flawed in that there aren't nearly as many players throwing slurs relative to the playerbase as there are clubs in a deck of cards. Really we're talking about taking half a card out of the deck at most and you're worried about drawing the other half more often. Except every EUW player in this thread (all from different elos mind you) is telling you that the examples provided by riot of extreme banworthy toxicity are literally average soloq banter here? Also I'm the toxic shitlord here, how about you show empathy to my anger issues and being deprived of flaming I like :> | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:59 AlterKot wrote: Except every EUW player in this thread (all from different elos mind you) is telling you that the examples provided by riot of extreme banworthy toxicity are literally average soloq banter here? Also I'm the toxic shitlord here, how about you show empathy to my anger issues and being deprived of flaming I like :> LOL you were salty at me for suggesting that dying to a gank was your fault | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:03 Slayer91 wrote: LOL you were salty at me for suggesting that dying to a gank was your fault pls it was a hyperbole And getting salty is fun. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
i agree with lewis on this | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:59 AlterKot wrote: Except every EUW player in this thread (all from different elos mind you) is telling you that the examples provided by riot of extreme banworthy toxicity are literally average soloq banter here? Also I'm the toxic shitlord here, how about you show empathy to my anger issues and being deprived of flaming I like :> First, it's Anecdata, and reminds me a lot of the old "I'm just Twinking to fight other Twinks" argument bandied about in classic WoW. I can't safely extrapolate much from it except there are people who would rather like to keep Twinking/"Bantering". Second, if that's really the case then either nobody will bother reporting anyone else because everyone recognizes it's just banter, or there's actually significant number of people on EUW for whom that banter is hurtful and you'll have to deal with finding a new way to banter that doesn't result in collateral damage. So really, either it's much ado about nothing or you've been unintentionally causing problems for people (and thus indirectly yourself since you're reducing the quality of their game) and stopping that helps everyone. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:08 Seuss wrote: First, it's Anecdata, and reminds me a lot of the old "I'm just Twinking to fight other Twinks" argument bandied about in classic WoW. I can't safely extrapolate much from it except there are people who would rather like to keep Twinking/"Bantering". Second, if that's really the case then either nobody will bother reporting anyone else because everyone recognizes it's just banter, or there's actually significant number of people on EUW for whom that banter is hurtful and you'll have to deal with finding a new way to banter that doesn't result in collateral damage. So really, either it's much ado about nothing or you've been unintentionally causing problems for people (and thus indirectly yourself since you're reducing the quality of their game) and stopping that helps everyone. Some people will report you if they don't like you or you take a kill from them once or something, it has nothing to do with what you say. The chat logs posted here that people got banned for really didn't even say much. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:09 Ansibled wrote: Some people will report you if they don't like you or you take a kill from them once or something, it has nothing to do with what you say. The chat logs that people got banned for really didn't even say much. Chat logs? Who care if they report you if you didn't say a word throughout the game? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On May 23 2015 01:08 Seuss wrote: Second, if that's really the case then either nobody will bother reporting anyone else because everyone recognizes it's just banter, or there's actually significant number of people on EUW for whom that banter is hurtful and you'll have to deal with finding a new way to banter that doesn't result in collateral damage. Any stats on how many people report others on principle, and how many because they want to fuck the guy? The point of Ansbiled's post is that history of reporting proves that receiving reports is easy and doesn't require anyone to be hurt. zzz just read teut's post. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Well we're fucked :> | ||
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