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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 22 2015 19:28 GMT
#1121
On May 23 2015 04:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 04:21 God Killer v2 wrote:
I don't play anymore, but the fact that 4 of my friends just got 2 week bans leads me to think that this system is indeed working. More salt than the dead sea

yet you're still friends with them

either means
a) you like getting insulted by your friends
b) you have bad tastes in friends
c) riot's system is 3sensiteve5you

you can be a dick in game but not in real life

Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 22 2015 19:33 GMT
#1122
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 22 2015 19:37 GMT
#1123
speaking of friends, I played some games with my bronze friends last night.

Hydra rush Skarner, can't think of an item that would shore up his weaknesses so clearly, how did I not think of this?
Carrilord has arrived.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 22 2015 19:40 GMT
#1124
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
May 22 2015 19:40 GMT
#1125
I feel like the only time it is acceptable to drop a GG EZ, is after a 50 minutes back and forth win by the skin of your teeth. Especially if you fed and got carried.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
May 22 2015 19:41 GMT
#1126
Thorin did a video once on toxicity in EU. He tried to explain how culturally people in the EU are just more aggressive towards each other. I tend to agree, for instance, New England and the North East are known for being rather cold and mean. I've been thinking about how to describe or explain how or why this is. It's a way we interact with each other in order to foster friendships. Have you ever heard the term, "You never want to be the smartest person in the room." The reason we insult and make fun of each other has this philosophy in mind. You never want to be around people who are beneath you. So we insult each other in order to show that we aren't subservient and are worthy of your time and respect.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 22 2015 19:48 GMT
#1127
Can confirm, New England are cold and unfeeling towards each other. Soniv is a shitter.

Unrelated, but am I the only one who actually likes Blitz's new W? It went from a brainless spam W skill to a skill to use smartly at opportune times for increased effectiveness (due to higher ms). Basically I enjoy being able to play smarter than those who didn't/still don't know how to use W effectively.
Hey! How you doin'?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-22 19:50:25
May 22 2015 19:50 GMT
#1128
On May 23 2015 04:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Can confirm, New England are cold and unfeeling towards each other. Soniv is a shitter.

Unrelated, but am I the only one who actually likes Blitz's new W? It went from a brainless spam W skill to a skill to use smartly at opportune times for increased effectiveness (due to higher ms). Basically I enjoy being able to play smarter than those who didn't/still don't know how to use W effectively.


Which is, funnily enough, exactly how his W used to work (like, when he was released/season 1 days). For once Riot backpedaled on their misguided "antifun" patching.
TranslatorBaa!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 22 2015 19:51 GMT
#1129
Even if they improve their design on mistake I still enjoy benefiting from the merits of their mistakes.
Hey! How you doin'?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 22 2015 19:58 GMT
#1130
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 22 2015 20:00 GMT
#1131
On May 23 2015 04:51 Zdrastochye wrote:
Even if they improve their design on mistake I still enjoy benefiting from the merits of their mistakes.


Yeah I think it's a good change, and I hope Riot is more open to 180ing on their really bad changes and being more receptive of, you know, actual defined strengths and weaknesses, both between different champs and within skills.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 22 2015 20:12 GMT
#1132
On May 23 2015 05:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 04:51 Zdrastochye wrote:
Even if they improve their design on mistake I still enjoy benefiting from the merits of their mistakes.


Yeah I think it's a good change, and I hope Riot is more open to 180ing on their really bad changes and being more receptive of, you know, actual defined strengths and weaknesses, both between different champs and within skills.


Ryze is the real test case for this (although we have another one where they didn't, Olaf who got wrecked, reworked horribly, and remains untouched). The current Ryze design is even more anti-Riot than the old one because he has crappy waveclear, no mobility, and very poor utility. He's basically a cross between Maokai and Cassiopeia, but with less waveclear, less lane presence, and less utility than either. He has to have sick damage and tankiness to be a good pick, basically Cassio damage + Maokai tankiness, which I doubt Riot will ever allow.
Freeeeeeedom
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 22 2015 20:30 GMT
#1133
On May 23 2015 05:12 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 05:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 23 2015 04:51 Zdrastochye wrote:
Even if they improve their design on mistake I still enjoy benefiting from the merits of their mistakes.


Yeah I think it's a good change, and I hope Riot is more open to 180ing on their really bad changes and being more receptive of, you know, actual defined strengths and weaknesses, both between different champs and within skills.


Ryze is the real test case for this (although we have another one where they didn't, Olaf who got wrecked, reworked horribly, and remains untouched). The current Ryze design is even more anti-Riot than the old one because he has crappy waveclear, no mobility, and very poor utility. He's basically a cross between Maokai and Cassiopeia, but with less waveclear, less lane presence, and less utility than either. He has to have sick damage and tankiness to be a good pick, basically Cassio damage + Maokai tankiness, which I doubt Riot will ever allow.

ryze is a good champion to pick when you want to prove to your team you are trying to lose

he used to be point and click which is toxic for gameplay, so they do what they normally do and gut the champion, forever sealing him with elise, kassadin, zilean, azir and the rest of the trash bin
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 22 2015 20:31 GMT
#1134
Kassadin is still pretty good, Azir got buffed back a bit and is once again a top competitive pick.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-22 20:43:23
May 22 2015 20:42 GMT
#1135
azir,kass trash tier? lmao
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 22 2015 21:08 GMT
#1136
Even Elise isn't trashtier, she's pretty serviceable, just sux lategame and it can't be fixed unless you overbuff her again.

Anyway, just witnessed guy who intentionally trolled because of testing new system.
#struggle
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 22 2015 21:13 GMT
#1137
On May 23 2015 06:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Even Elise isn't trashtier, she's pretty serviceable, just sux lategame and it can't be fixed unless you overbuff her again.

Anyway, just witnessed guy who intentionally trolled because of testing new system.
#struggle

Dexter confirmed top tier again.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-22 21:21:02
May 22 2015 21:15 GMT
#1138
Olaf not top-tier competitive pick, obviously the rework was a complete failure.

Kassadin sucks.

Azir sucks.

36% MR shred is poor utility.

I'm gonna go lay down; this thread is giving me cancer.

Real talk about Ryze; this rework lives or dies based on how much damage Q does lategame and right now it's shit and he's basically a support even with 15k gold. More damage on Q = More machine gun = More damage from shred = less damage he needs to build to approach old Ryze levels of faceroll. He'll never blowup squishies unless they're out of nowhere with no frontline, which is exactly as it should be.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 22 2015 21:38 GMT
#1139
On May 23 2015 06:15 Caiada wrote:
Olaf not top-tier competitive pick, obviously the rework was a complete failure.

Kassadin sucks.

Azir sucks.

36% MR shred is poor utility.

I'm gonna go lay down; this thread is giving me cancer.

Real talk about Ryze; this rework lives or dies based on how much damage Q does lategame and right now it's shit and he's basically a support even with 15k gold. More damage on Q = More machine gun = More damage from shred = less damage he needs to build to approach old Ryze levels of faceroll. He'll never blowup squishies unless they're out of nowhere with no frontline, which is exactly as it should be.


Olaf's rework sucks because his ult removes defenses at the time you most need it in the majority of situations. Its like if Ashe's new Q or Kog's W slowed you when you activated it, Hecarim's E disabled his passive, or if Galio lost a bunch of armor when he ults.

I agree that Ryze is going to need more damage on his Q lategame, my only point is that I don't think they are going to be willing to give him enough long term, because its got to be higher than old Ryze levels of lategame power, because his laning going to be worse.
Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 22 2015 21:42 GMT
#1140
On May 23 2015 06:15 Caiada wrote:


Kassadin sucks.

Azir sucks.

.

look at the msi finals picks and in general skt and edgs picks and tell me kassadin and azir both suck
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