EPT[Patch 5.8] Ryze Rework General Discussion - Page 9
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:37 krndandaman wrote: blue ez is great for soloq imo. especially since soloq has a lot less emphasis on mega tanks than competitive does. in terms of competitive? yeah blue ez is near bottom tier (still better than ashe, varus, mf, etc. tho) Whoa, you doubting PoE's mid Varus? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Almost died at red LOL didn't practice route and use scaling resists and and no attack speed. Did pretty badly early but was alright later, didn't feel that impactful but the enemies disagreed lel + Show Spoiler [salt] + Kaptajn Kronow: the fucking tank meta Kaptajn Kronow: so fucking dumb mania446: y uuR: it is fcking brain meta  Yung Mitko: ye wtf bro Kaptajn Kronow: it's the worst meta Kaptajn Kronow: no skill no mechanics Teutonica: we had Teutonica: only 1 tank Teutonica: LOL Kaptajn Kronow: just buy cinderhulk mania446: u pref last meta with only zed xD Kaptajn Kronow: yes and that guy carried you all Kaptajn Kronow: garen 1v5 mania446: u had gragas mania446: better On April 30 2015 04:35 Alaric wrote: Garen doesn't even clear that bad, and he's got plenty of damage if he reaches his targets. He just needs your lanes not to be Vlad and the level not to be too high (no idea what my normal Elo was at the time) and he can at least coast by. vlad isn't that bad wtf l2p son i mean he has zero cc if he doesn't snowball and your ignite is up he is pretty boned i'll hav to do the calcs on cdr vs LW because it doesn't feel strnog but its hard having W up 6 seconds every 12 lategame has to be strong its -15% dmg taken on avgerage and if you use it well it should be higher than average | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:48 Slayer91 wrote: Tried jungle garen. Almost died at red LOL didn't practice route and use scaling resists and and no attack speed. Did pretty badly early but was alright later, didn't feel that impactful but the enemies disagreed lel + Show Spoiler + Kaptajn Kronow: the fucking tank meta Kaptajn Kronow: so fucking dumb mania446: y uuR: it is fcking brain meta Yung Mitko: ye wtf bro Kaptajn Kronow: it's the worst meta Kaptajn Kronow: no skill no mechanics Teutonica: we had Teutonica: only 1 tank Teutonica: LOL Kaptajn Kronow: just buy cinderhulk mania446: u pref last meta with only zed xD Kaptajn Kronow: yes and that guy carried you all Kaptajn Kronow: garen 1v5 mania446: u had gragas mania446: better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDbE0BjA90&feature=youtu.be vlad isn't that bad wtf l2p son i mean he has zero cc if he doesn't snowball and your ignite is up he is pretty boned I think Alaric means that if you're jungling your laners need to have cc, although I do need some tips on the Vlad matchup. Teut pls? | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
They nerfed his damage completely, and in a team fight he cant pick people with his Q anymore :/ | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Then again, I also think Veigar is one W change from being one of the best teamfight mages in the game, so maybe I dunno anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:31 ticklishmusic wrote: Ashe with BC seems potentially useful-- a little movespeed could be useful, and she can instantly shred the entire team. Fits the idea of a utility carry too. It is never in the ADs interest to shred the enemy team for his/her allies compared to an ally shredding the enemy team for them BC can find use on ADs but only if their team doesn't have one already and they already have whisper. The only real situation you're going to want it is if you've got IE, BT/BotRK,PD,LW and don't need the QSS on scimitar. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I actually have a video of me getting bumberbanged by vlad because I went garen mid (we had a player called Wind Of Justice and i felt compelled to play garen) basically I dived lvl 6 and then lost like 2 fights where it was a race to my auto and his Q at the end and he won but I lost mostly because the lane was so short by the time i reach him its fucking tower range LOL and not sufficiently good mechaniks too obviously vlad is obviously super snowbally as well because of how spell vamp and getting hp for ap works basically if you can burst him he sucks if you can't hes god | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:21 Kinie wrote: It MIGHT be good on Varus, but that's probably the only ADC that would benefit from it (assuming you go Legolas Varus and just look to poke people with max range Qs when you have 400 AD). Well, lol, you can go 40% cdr on Varus even as botlaner and be fine, because noone has idea how to play against Varus in current world and abuse his weaknesses. But even on Varus, considering that BC isn't getting built from brutalizer, it's just waste of money you can spend on possible ie/ghostblade/ludicities and building phage first on Varus just sounds awful. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:54 smOOthMayDie wrote: Just tried out the new ryze in a game and I have to say this champion is absolutely worthless now. They nerfed his damage completely, and in a team fight he cant pick people with his Q anymore :/ abuse muramana active on him, supposedly his e procs it like a million times. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:57 Slayer91 wrote: I dunno whats so difficult everyone else harasses you but has CC why do people think vlad is diffult I actually have a video of me getting bumberbanged by vlad because I went garen mid (we had a player called Wind Of Justice and i felt compelled to play garen) basically I dived lvl 6 and then lost like 2 fights where it was a race to my auto and his Q at the end and he won but I lost mostly because the lane was so short by the time i reach him its fucking tower range LOL and not sufficiently good mechaniks too obviously vlad is obviously super snowbally as well because of how spell vamp and getting hp for ap works basically if you can burst him he sucks if you can't hes god Vlad is difficult because he harasses you endlessly, and sustains more damage than you can do past the first few levels, is incredibly hard to dive under tower and farms well under there, outscales you brutally, and forces you to build a bunch of MR in lane and then get wrecked by their ADC. You might get a kill on him early if he doesn't respect your allin, but the lane rapidly goes out of control and you get pushed out of lane while being unable to get him low. You have to use E to go in on him, which results in a pushed lane and a safe tower to CS under for him. I've beaten several awful vlad's in lane, but a good one takes zero chances and you just have no opportunity to do anything, while you lose more and more. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 30 2015 06:57 Goumindong wrote: It is never in the ADs interest to shred the enemy team for his/her allies compared to an ally shredding the enemy team for them BC can find use on ADs but only if their team doesn't have one already and they already have whisper. The only real situation you're going to want it is if you've got IE, BT/BotRK,PD,LW and don't need the QSS on scimitar. BC seems like it would have a nice niche in heavy AD comps where someone mass applying the shred could counter armor stacking across the board. I like the synergy between Ashe slow and her getting a speed buff from BC too, as well as how a little extra HP could help an immobile AD as well. Then again, all the stuff around Ashe is pure theorycraft since we have n idea about the numbers on her new kit.  | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
edit: also e might be worth maxing second, it's a buttload of damage now. Not yet sure if it's better than a longer root, but I'll tinker with it | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
early game he is incredibly weak. E radius is quite small, but its usable, you only need 3 hits to max MR reduction. He is in general very weak without passive, but is fucking crushing with it up, its absolutely massive. Passive management has pretty solid depth based on if you want your W or E up sooner. His new auto is incredibly fast, weaving autos into his combo is a very real possibility now, making frozen gauntlet potentially a great item on him, as it has exactly the amount of CDR he wants, plus all the stats he likes. E max over W (or split max) is probably standard now? You don't get too much from W max, no cd reduction, mana cost gets very big. Not sure. E is the spell you want in lane. Frozen heart is still totally a great buy on him, The item is 140% efficient without the aura, which applies the oppression defensive mastery and gives it a 3% damage reduction aura. Losing 10% CDR from overcapping lategame is like 325g of stats, the item is still sick good on him. Feels a lot more like a mid laner than a top. Landing Q in a minion wave aint gonna happen, and I doubt E can carry the lane for you. Plus his escape is nonexistant and diving him with passive down is gonna be really easy. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 30 2015 08:39 krndandaman wrote: from my soloq today the team against ryze is 4-0 so many awful ryzes or maybe the new ryze is bad.. or maybe both whoever started this muramana ryze thing has to stop. ryzes going double tear is cancer. maybe it's actually a poetic representation of his teammate's sorrows. | ||
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