EPTFH's aura is alot less good against some marksmen, for example Corki or Lucian (I don't know if it affects The Culling, and even if it did he'll prob use it from outside the aura's range anyway, but it doesn't slow his passive's second auto from what I've seen, so for his hail mary RNG Q-double crit FH has no more effect than on the burst from a Shiv Ashe's crit-W).
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
FH's aura is alot less good against some marksmen, for example Corki or Lucian (I don't know if it affects The Culling, and even if it did he'll prob use it from outside the aura's range anyway, but it doesn't slow his passive's second auto from what I've seen, so for his hail mary RNG Q-double crit FH has no more effect than on the burst from a Shiv Ashe's crit-W). | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:27 justiceknight wrote: lol Ryu and Horo to millenium wtf LS says Gambit but who knows. It's all smoke and mirrors, this offseason is stupid. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:24 GrandInquisitor wrote: You don't really want to go so deep in the utility tree as Ryze. I see people doing it all the time and it drives me nuts. Take 5% CDR in your glyphs and you can get Oppression in the defense tree instead, which is pretty much a -3% damage aura once you get Frozen Heart. TIL not one single pro player gets Oppression instead of going deep in utility on Ryze: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Ryze | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:29 Doctorbeat wrote: LS says Gambit but who knows. It's all smoke and mirrors, this offseason is stupid. Richard Lewis said Mil I'll take him over ls in the accuracy dpt any day of the week | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's very easy to put out numbers for Ryze builds. You're at 32.5% CDR for Ryze minimum. 20% from Frozen Heart, 10% from Q, minimum 2.5% from masteries. It's easy to get another 7.5% from masteries, since 9/0/21 is a fine Ryze mastery build. Here, check this out: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Ryze Basically everybody on that list goes 21 utility with 5-10% CDR from masteries. Not getting Frozen Heart on Ryze is dumb. Really, really dumb. Like, lets compare Frozen Heart and Randuins on Ryze. FH gives 100 armor, 400 mana and 20% CDR. Randuin gives 500 HP and 70 armor. But 400 mana doesn't give "400 mana" on Ryze. It gives Ryze 420 mana, which gives him the equivalent of 84 HP and 40 AP. On top of that, Ryze's defenses scale much better with armor than they do with HP, because of the huge Seraphs shield and his sustain. A level 18 ROA Seraphs FH Ryze has an effective HP against physical damage of 9679. ROA Seraphs Randuins Ryze has an effective HP of 9878. So in terms of tankiness, FH vs Randuins is actually fairly similar on Ryze, except FH gives 20% CDR, 40 AP equivalent in damage, and costs less. There's no reason to take Randuins over FH on Ryze, and because of that, there is no reason to get SV over Banshee. In fact, the two people on probuilds who do build SV on Ryze, Snoopeh and Kevin, are both CDR capped before they get it. It's a demonstrably stupid buy, the CDR is wasted and the extra sustain is not going to outpace Banshee's spell shield and superior stats. PS: You take mana runes on Ryze because they help you win lane, when Ryze has a very poor laning phase in general. CDR runes do not help Ryze win lane, and are unnecessary later in the game because the most efficient Ryze item build CDR caps him without CDR runes. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
even if it puts you over the cdr cap the passive is better in a lot of situations than bv imo spell shield is really overrated if the other team doesn't have a mid who needs to combo to do their damage (or dfg) like Akali/LB/Ahri if for example you are playing against Xerath, just go SV | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
In order for the SV passive to outheal that 300 damage blocked, Ryze would have to do 6000 damage in the fight (after accounting for how Spell Vamp is reduced on AOE), which is likely enough to more or less kill the entire enemy team. On top of that, Banshee's has better stats. 45 HP regen instead of 20, and 450 HP instead of 400. Unless the enemy team is tanky as fuck and these fights are going to last a long, long time, I can't really see much of a situation where SV would be more efficient than Banshee if you aren't getting any CDR from it. If you do need the CDR then there are lots of situations where SV would be more efficient, but on Ryze you don't need the CDR. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:38 Slusher wrote: SV is good on Ryze because he has spellvamp (and a lot of it) for free on ult even if it puts you over the cdr cap the passive is better in a lot of situations than bv imo spell shield is really overrated if the other team doesn't have a mid who needs to combo to do their damage (or dfg) like Akali/LB/Ahri if for example you are playing against Xerath, just go SV I think damage prevention > more healing, but I can see where you're coming from. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
Remember that Ryze only has spellvamp while Desperate Power is active (7 seconds). If Ryze does 6000 damage in 7 seconds, I think you win regardless. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:45 nafta wrote: The banshee sustain is only after taking damage and the spirit visage is 25. Yes, and HP regen only gives you anything after taking damage anyway. Banshee's raw stats are straight up better. Note that Banshee's defensive stats SHOULD be better than SV's, because SV gives 10% CDR. If SV really were arguably better than Banshee at 0 CDR, it would be a super overpowered item that everybody would buy over Banshee all of the time (like it used to be before nerfs) | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Dumb champ. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:27 iCanada wrote: It actually doesn't matter what Ryze builds imo, lol. He's going to be tanky as fuck and hit hard. Dumb champ. Frozen fist Ryze is what real Ryze players build. Always chase, never not chase. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:29 Doctorbeat wrote: LS says Gambit but who knows. It's all smoke and mirrors, this offseason is stupid. It's confirmed Mil. LS clearly up to his normal attention grabbing without reliable sources. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/ryu-and-h0r0-to-millenium/1100-2295/ | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:42 Numy wrote: It's confirmed Mil. LS clearly up to his normal attention grabbing without reliable sources. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/ryu-and-h0r0-to-millenium/1100-2295/ people here still take last shadow seriously? ignore the guy and let him fade off | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/summoners/masteries/#97Y2GMW0.2y8wUmu.68_ei.B0xJOCdW0 And this for 9/0/21: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/summoners/masteries/#97ar4qoW.0.6lBUy.B0xJghB60 And we'll assume that with 5/10/15 you're running 5% CDR in your glyphs, thus sacrificing 6 mana glyphs or 6 MR glyphs 5/10/15 5% additional Armor/MR Reduce damage from basic attacks by 2 Reduce all damage from champions by 1 36 health 3% additional health 3% damage reduction from CC'd targets (initially just snared, subsequently all targets within Frozen Heart radius) 9/0/21 16 AP at level 18 6 AP 0.5% MS 5% MS out of combat 3% summoner cooldown 67.5 mana (~4.4 additional damage per Q) OR 8.04 MR 5/10/15 seems like it scales so much better into the late game, although 9/0/21 clearly applies more pressure early in lane. | ||
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