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On October 24 2014 20:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2014 15:13 GolemMadness wrote:
who uses CDR per level glyphs on Ryze...? It's interesting actually. With 15% CDR at level 18 you can skip Frozen Heart for a different defensive item. Especially if you think the attack speed aura is not too useful.
When are you ever going to not run FH? Especially at the price of no MR glyphs.
that being said, if you really want tons of cdr, there are scenario's where you can choose not to run MR glyphs in favor of cdr. like (all AD teams, which is far more likely than a no AD, non ADC team)
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On October 24 2014 23:07 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2014 20:52 Sufficiency wrote:On October 24 2014 15:13 GolemMadness wrote:
who uses CDR per level glyphs on Ryze...? It's interesting actually. With 15% CDR at level 18 you can skip Frozen Heart for a different defensive item. Especially if you think the attack speed aura is not too useful. When are you ever going to not run FH? Especially at the price of no MR glyphs.
Very weird decision when FH is like everything Ryze wants in one package.
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On October 24 2014 22:40 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2014 21:07 Gahlo wrote:On October 24 2014 20:52 Sufficiency wrote:On October 24 2014 15:13 GolemMadness wrote:
who uses CDR per level glyphs on Ryze...? It's interesting actually. With 15% CDR at level 18 you can skip Frozen Heart for a different defensive item. Especially if you think the attack speed aura is not too useful. Either way, you're going to need an armor item anyway in most situations and need to balance out the HP from RoA. That pretty much puts you in "FH or Thornmail" territory and the decision happens post champ select. TIL Randuin's Omen was removed from the game.
On October 24 2014 21:07 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2014 20:52 Sufficiency wrote:On October 24 2014 15:13 GolemMadness wrote:
who uses CDR per level glyphs on Ryze...? It's interesting actually. With 15% CDR at level 18 you can skip Frozen Heart for a different defensive item. Especially if you think the attack speed aura is not too useful. Either way, you're going to need an armor item anyway in most situations and need to balance out the HP from RoA. That pretty much puts you in "FH or Thornmail" territory and the decision happens post champ select.
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TIL Randuin's does not provide armor and extra health is totally useless.
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Ryze scales with mana, wants 20% cdr from items to max it out ( not to mention how ectremely well he scales with cdr cause of his passive) and wants armor/mr over health because of roa/seraphs. Stop trying to force ryze out of building the perfect item for him...
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I am saying that by running some scaling CDR blues you can lay off a CDR item.
For example, instead of forcing yourself to build SV for the MR and CDR, you can run 10% CDR at level 18 from runes and get a Banshee's instead - or maybe the enemy team has no magic damage at all, so you can just get a Randuin's instead of forcing yourself to buy a 10% CDR item.
Similarly, instead of forcing yourself to build a FH against a non-attackspeed- reliant team, you can run 15% CDR from runes, skip FH, and get a different item.
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I do not like Hexakill.
Rito just give us custom gamemodes. Your playerbase has more ideas and can be far more creative with your game than you can ever be.
@Sufficiency, but why would you skip FH on Ryze? Ryze just has so much synergy with that one item, the attack speed isn't even close to the most important bit.
And you don't build SV on Ryze anyway.
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On October 25 2014 00:04 Sufficiency wrote:
TIL Randuin's does not provide armor and extra health is totally useless.
Since you're the stat guy, do the statistics work in which % of games where the team comp exists that Randuins be a better buy than FH.
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On October 24 2014 22:40 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2014 21:07 Gahlo wrote:On October 24 2014 20:52 Sufficiency wrote:On October 24 2014 15:13 GolemMadness wrote:
who uses CDR per level glyphs on Ryze...? It's interesting actually. With 15% CDR at level 18 you can skip Frozen Heart for a different defensive item. Especially if you think the attack speed aura is not too useful. Either way, you're going to need an armor item anyway in most situations and need to balance out the HP from RoA. That pretty much puts you in "FH or Thornmail" territory and the decision happens post champ select. TIL Randuin's Omen was removed from the game.
On October 25 2014 00:04 Sufficiency wrote:
TIL Randuin's does not provide armor and extra health is totally useless.
TIL not one single pro player builds Randuin's instead of Frozen Heart on Ryze: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Ryze
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On October 25 2014 00:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
I do not like Hexakill.
Rito just give us custom gamemodes. Your playerbase has more ideas and can be far more creative with your game than you can ever be.
@Sufficiency, but why would you skip FH on Ryze? Ryze just has so much synergy with that one item, the attack speed isn't even close to the most important bit.
And you don't build SV on Ryze anyway.
Why not build SV on Ryze against an AP heavy team? Seems an obvious buy for the passive alone.
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On October 25 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:
I am saying that by running some scaling CDR blues you can lay off a CDR item.
For example, instead of forcing yourself to build SV for the MR and CDR, you can run 10% CDR at level 18 from runes and get a Banshee's instead - or maybe the enemy team has no magic damage at all, so you can just get a Randuin's instead of forcing yourself to buy a 10% CDR item.
Similarly, instead of forcing yourself to build a FH against a non-attackspeed- reliant team, you can run 15% CDR from runes, skip FH, and get a different item.
So now you're short 5% CDR (honestly makes a noticeable difference for Ryze) and missing a chunk of MR for the whole game so that... you can build Randuin's instead of Frozen Heart? Losing the mana as well as the aura (unless enemy team has no ADC, no such thing as non-attackspeed reliant team).
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Hmm, is it just me but if I see someone play Sion, they either wreck house, or get their house wrecked *insert my team is always worse than the enemies' statement :D*
His Q is really easy to dodge unless, the enemy is either stupid or you have another person with you to chain CC them. Also, has anyone tried flashing while using sion's ult because if you can't then his ults isn't really good too at the high levels.
2 QUICK TIPS FOR NEWBZZ:
-If playing as Sion never ult in jungle or near the ramps/entrances in jungle...NEVER
-If playing vs Sion don't spawn camp him, he doesnt give gold from his passive
~Have fun everyone! Kris out!
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On October 25 2014 00:31 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2014 00:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
I do not like Hexakill.
Rito just give us custom gamemodes. Your playerbase has more ideas and can be far more creative with your game than you can ever be.
@Sufficiency, but why would you skip FH on Ryze? Ryze just has so much synergy with that one item, the attack speed isn't even close to the most important bit.
And you don't build SV on Ryze anyway. Why not build SV on Ryze against an AP heavy team? Seems an obvious buy for the passive alone.
Wouldn't Banshees be good vs heavy AP too? Blocking spells tends to be very useful.
I guess SV is an option, maybe my mind is just still stuck with the BV that gave mana too 
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On October 25 2014 00:40 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:
I am saying that by running some scaling CDR blues you can lay off a CDR item.
For example, instead of forcing yourself to build SV for the MR and CDR, you can run 10% CDR at level 18 from runes and get a Banshee's instead - or maybe the enemy team has no magic damage at all, so you can just get a Randuin's instead of forcing yourself to buy a 10% CDR item.
Similarly, instead of forcing yourself to build a FH against a non-attackspeed- reliant team, you can run 15% CDR from runes, skip FH, and get a different item. So now you're short 5% CDR (honestly makes a noticeable difference for Ryze) and missing a chunk of MR for the whole game so that... you can build Randuin's instead of Frozen Heart? Losing the mana as well as the aura (unless enemy team has no ADC, no such thing as non-attackspeed reliant team).
You can get 5% from masteries.
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On October 25 2014 00:31 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2014 00:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
I do not like Hexakill.
Rito just give us custom gamemodes. Your playerbase has more ideas and can be far more creative with your game than you can ever be.
@Sufficiency, but why would you skip FH on Ryze? Ryze just has so much synergy with that one item, the attack speed isn't even close to the most important bit.
And you don't build SV on Ryze anyway. Seems an obvious buy for the passive alone.
Spirit Visage passive is one of the biggest noob traps in the game. 20% increased healing on Ryze's 25% spellvamp: a whopping 5% spellvamp. Not bad, but nothing to write home about.
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On October 25 2014 00:57 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2014 00:40 Alzadar wrote:On October 25 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:
I am saying that by running some scaling CDR blues you can lay off a CDR item.
For example, instead of forcing yourself to build SV for the MR and CDR, you can run 10% CDR at level 18 from runes and get a Banshee's instead - or maybe the enemy team has no magic damage at all, so you can just get a Randuin's instead of forcing yourself to buy a 10% CDR item.
Similarly, instead of forcing yourself to build a FH against a non-attackspeed- reliant team, you can run 15% CDR from runes, skip FH, and get a different item. So now you're short 5% CDR (honestly makes a noticeable difference for Ryze) and missing a chunk of MR for the whole game so that... you can build Randuin's instead of Frozen Heart? Losing the mana as well as the aura (unless enemy team has no ADC, no such thing as non-attackspeed reliant team). You can get 5% from masteries.
You can get 10% from masteries, but that's assumed already. You need 20% from items (or runes/buffs) to hit the cap.
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On October 25 2014 00:56 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2014 00:31 Osmoses wrote:On October 25 2014 00:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
I do not like Hexakill.
Rito just give us custom gamemodes. Your playerbase has more ideas and can be far more creative with your game than you can ever be.
@Sufficiency, but why would you skip FH on Ryze? Ryze just has so much synergy with that one item, the attack speed isn't even close to the most important bit.
And you don't build SV on Ryze anyway. Why not build SV on Ryze against an AP heavy team? Seems an obvious buy for the passive alone. Wouldn't Banshees be good vs heavy AP too? Blocking spells tends to be very useful. I guess SV is an option, maybe my mind is just still stuck with the BV that gave mana too
Banshee's is much better than SV if it wasn't for the lack of CDR, which is crucial for Ryze. But if you can get by using 6 scaling CDR blues you can definitely consider getting a Banshee's.
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I noticed that a lot of pro players get SV on Ryze.
I think the primary reason is to get 10% CDR for the cap. It's a fairly decent defense item as well.
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It helps with sustain when you ulti I believe.
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Yes. But honestly it's not that significant.
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