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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 24 2014 18:48 GMT
#2001
On October 25 2014 03:46 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 03:27 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On October 25 2014 03:08 krndandaman wrote:
On October 25 2014 03:00 benefluence wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:50 krndandaman wrote:
doesn't oppression not work with frozen heart? it says impaired movement and frozen heart doesn't impair movement.

You'd think that, but Riot has never been very good about coding things like this in a way that coincides with expectations. FH applies Oppression, because AS slows and MS slows aren't very well differentiated in Riot code.


Wait, real?
Does anyone want to test it? I can hop on cause I'm genuinely curious now.


It's a well known interaction with oppression.


wow, so much for riot's clarity.


Seems pretty self-consistent? Anything that triggers from slows works with both attack speed and movement speed slows.
I am the Town Medic.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 24 2014 18:58 GMT
#2002
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 24 2014 19:26 GMT
#2003
Alaric I mostly don't like that after you kill him its a race to escape his turret in time to not die to it. and how randoms in solo queue cannot do that ever.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2014 19:29 GMT
#2004
That's not antifun then. Just kill him with Lux/Xerath/Ziggs/Zyra/Jayce from double his effective range.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 24 2014 19:36 GMT
#2005
On October 25 2014 04:29 Alaric wrote:
That's not antifun then. Just kill him with Lux/Xerath/Ziggs/Zyra/Jayce from double his effective range.
that would mean i had to play an unfun champion and run them top lane, where i normally see heimers.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 24 2014 19:42 GMT
#2006
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#2007
All of my best records for Q-stacking as Nasus by 20 minutes came against top Heimerdinger.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 24 2014 20:05 GMT
#2008
On October 25 2014 03:35 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 02:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:27 iCanada wrote:
It actually doesn't matter what Ryze builds imo, lol. He's going to be tanky as fuck and hit hard.


Dumb champ.

Frozen fist Ryze is what real Ryze players build. Always chase, never not chase.


The sad part is that honestly, it's probably a more efficient buy on Ryze than almost any other champion in the game, yet you'd be called a troll if you built it because he has other options that are just better.

I could actually see it being good on him. Obviously FH probably better, but...

God that champ is dumb.

On a different note, holy crap I miss AP sion. Rito said he was two champs and wanted to fix that, but they only have us the stupid crappy ad sion. I want that early game monster who builds flat ap and is a huge threat by running at things with dfg up back.

Honestly, ap sion was probably my favorite mid laner. Rito pls, can I have ap sion?

Playing him against people who hadn't seen him in forever was super fun.
to just instantly delete any squish with Q/W/DFG was ridic fun
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 24 2014 20:06 GMT
#2009
On October 25 2014 03:35 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 02:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:27 iCanada wrote:
It actually doesn't matter what Ryze builds imo, lol. He's going to be tanky as fuck and hit hard.


Dumb champ.

Frozen fist Ryze is what real Ryze players build. Always chase, never not chase.


The sad part is that honestly, it's probably a more efficient buy on Ryze than almost any other champion in the game, yet you'd be called a troll if you built it because he has other options that are just better.

I could actually see it being good on him. Obviously FH probably better, but...

God that champ is dumb.

On a different note, holy crap I miss AP sion. Rito said he was two champs and wanted to fix that, but they only have us the stupid crappy ad sion. I want that early game monster who builds flat ap and is a huge threat by running at things with dfg up back.

Honestly, ap sion was probably my favorite mid laner. Rito pls, can I have ap sion?

That's really just because they love trinity so much that they can't allow other sheen items to be worth it, and they haven't even given phage a second build path yet.
Freeeeeeedom
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 24 2014 20:15 GMT
#2010
Why doesn't Phage build into Frozen Mallet? Whyyyy?
I am the Town Medic.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 24 2014 20:16 GMT
#2011
On October 25 2014 05:15 Alzadar wrote:
Why doesn't Phage build into Frozen Mallet? Whyyyy?

it used to
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-24 20:29:26
October 24 2014 20:22 GMT
#2012
On October 25 2014 00:04 Sufficiency wrote:
TIL Randuin's does not provide armor and extra health is totally useless.

Ryze with BV and RoA will hit 3062HP and 85.2 Armor for a Physical EHP of 5670.824.

If we add Randuins he hits 9090.224 EHP. When we add a LW into the mix it drops to 7155.3456.

If we add Frozen Heart or Thornmail he hits 8732.824 EHP. Add in the LW again and it drops to 6748.

The benefits of higher damage, aura, and CDR vastly outperforms the ~360-410 EHP.

On October 25 2014 03:08 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 03:00 benefluence wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:50 krndandaman wrote:
doesn't oppression not work with frozen heart? it says impaired movement and frozen heart doesn't impair movement.

You'd think that, but Riot has never been very good about coding things like this in a way that coincides with expectations. FH applies Oppression, because AS slows and MS slows aren't very well differentiated in Riot code.


Wait, real?
Does anyone want to test it? I can hop on cause I'm genuinely curious now.

It isn't that AS and MS slows aren't well differentiated. Riot intentionally changed it to that, I believe somewhere around late S3, to make AS reliant champions like Yi not get their shit stomped.

Also, not being able to slow Yi's AS due to his ult is my #1 reason I hate the champion.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2014 20:33 GMT
#2013
That's not the first time I see someone ban Yasuo/Syndra/Fizz to first pick Akali. Does that make sense? I thought Akali was very strong against Yasuo, and usually favored against Fizz too. ._.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 24 2014 21:08 GMT
#2014
On October 25 2014 05:33 Alaric wrote:
That's not the first time I see someone ban Yasuo/Syndra/Fizz to first pick Akali. Does that make sense? I thought Akali was very strong against Yasuo, and usually favored against Fizz too. ._.

better to ban stupid pubstomp heroes in solo queue imo.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 24 2014 21:10 GMT
#2015
Yasuo is just a blanket ban that everyone does without any real reason other than everyone does. Other 2 are just solid mids that can take over the game if you let them so that's prob his logic.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 24 2014 21:11 GMT
#2016
On October 25 2014 05:05 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 03:35 iCanada wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 25 2014 02:27 iCanada wrote:
It actually doesn't matter what Ryze builds imo, lol. He's going to be tanky as fuck and hit hard.


Dumb champ.

Frozen fist Ryze is what real Ryze players build. Always chase, never not chase.


The sad part is that honestly, it's probably a more efficient buy on Ryze than almost any other champion in the game, yet you'd be called a troll if you built it because he has other options that are just better.

I could actually see it being good on him. Obviously FH probably better, but...

God that champ is dumb.

On a different note, holy crap I miss AP sion. Rito said he was two champs and wanted to fix that, but they only have us the stupid crappy ad sion. I want that early game monster who builds flat ap and is a huge threat by running at things with dfg up back.

Honestly, ap sion was probably my favorite mid laner. Rito pls, can I have ap sion?

Playing him against people who hadn't seen him in forever was super fun.
to just instantly delete any squish with Q/W/DFG was ridic fun


The map pressure he put out was unparalleled. 600 range point and click stun stun with the ability to burst like 3/4 of an enemies hp with one combo. Lol.

I remember duo queuing with my buddy who was a shaco main and just winning at like 12 minutes consistently. He'd come mid after the 1:55 double buff. Fb guaranteed cuz he'd be level 3 at 2:20 and they'd be stunned as he arrived with three skills and the full backstab damage.

After that, our pace couldn't be matched. Them roaming kill squads.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#2017
even if akali has advantage, assassin v assassin matchups are volatile, and if you make a mistake, it can easily snowball out of control

might as well limit the amount of stupid that can happen
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2014 21:32 GMT
#2018
Whatever he ended up getting stomped by Annie who ended the game 17-3-4 with 20 mejai stacks. Feeding him a triple right after he bought it when the enemy team tried to collapse on him was a good play even if I died for it. :')
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-24 23:03:54
October 24 2014 23:03 GMT
#2019
On October 25 2014 06:10 Numy wrote:
Yasuo is just a blanket ban that everyone does without any real reason other than everyone does. Other 2 are just solid mids that can take over the game if you let them so that's prob his logic.

My reasoining is no matter how much he gets shat on in lane, he still eventually gets shiv, he still eventually gets IE and starts murdering people.

Also wind wall.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-24 23:37:03
October 24 2014 23:32 GMT
#2020
Annie is so underrated. I think she's in the top 5 solo queue champs. Buddy of mine went from silver 4 - D5 with her and morg

edit: over 2 seasons. Reread my post and it looks like I meant in 1 season, which is kinda ridiculous.
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