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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 31 2014 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Good. When a champion is as strong as he is late game, his early game should suffer to make up for it. the biggest increase in strength ryze had is the movement away from ignite top to teleport, and the jungler stop being a top babysitter and focusing on mid an bot more. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2014 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Good. When a champion is as strong as he is late game, his early game should suffer to make up for it. it's still a pretty big damage nerf in lategame as well | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
I'm fine with nerfs to his level 1-2-3 Q damage but taking 40 damage off a skill you're going to cast 10 times in a fight is a huge nerf. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 31 2014 02:18 Alzadar wrote: Ryze is tricky to balance because he is tanky and hurts a lot early and mid game, but his tankiness comes entirely from items so it can't be nerfed without side-effects. People really overestimate his late-game damage, after you get your big three items (Tear, Rod, FH), there's no more damage so you really flatline. I'm fine with nerfs to his level 1-2-3 Q damage but taking 40 damage off a skill you're going to cast 10 times in a fight is a huge nerf. You forgot void. 5 item core with boots. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
And I hate to say it (no I don't) but Malzahar absolutely shuts Ryze out of late-game. I never ban him if I'm going mid. Void isn't core. It's a good pickup but certainly not something you'll build every game. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Ryze 4/20 games have Void, vs 20/20 where people built Tear+Rod+Glacial/FH. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2014 02:27 Sufficiency wrote: Ryze might require a rework of some sort. Straight numerical nerf will probably just Olaf him without achieving anything else. I dunno, number changes are fine, but to hurt his lategame along with his early game seems a bit overkill. It's also a bit silly to be doing these changes considering how close new season is. @alz, makes sense, most of those games ended when they only had 4 or 3 core items. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 31 2014 02:44 Numy wrote: Yea I don't really understand them keeping the lower ranks similiar while gutting the higher ranks. Sounds like more of a mid-late game nerf than early game honestly. Don't like it at all. they dont want him to dominate if he gets a level advantage off a gank. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On October 31 2014 02:59 PrinceXizor wrote: they dont want him to dominate if he gets a level advantage off a gank. They're shitting all over level advantage strength soon anyway. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 31 2014 03:41 Gahlo wrote: They're shitting all over level advantage strength soon anyway. that would require them to think about what the other teams are doing. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 31 2014 03:48 cLutZ wrote: IMO Ryze's toplane popularity is (in part) due to how minions work in the sidelanes right now. Which is, to put it mildly, poorly. How do you mean? I've barely touched any of the side lanes since my return. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 31 2014 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: How do you mean? I've barely touched any of the side lanes since my return. The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with). | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote: The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with). Or be Riven and shit on him anyway. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote: The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with). It's a little more than that -- Ryze can harass you with Q constantly which doesn't draw minion aggro, and his W is very strong 1v1 as a disengage. He suffers greatly when he can't self-peel with W (see, e.g., Aatrox / Jarvan IV). | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
I thought ryze vs riven was good for ryze? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:29 Fusilero wrote: I thought ryze vs riven was good for ryze? Nowhere close. | ||
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