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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 30 2014 19:31 GMT
#2521
again thats not even true either
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 19:47:29
October 30 2014 19:44 GMT
#2522
On October 31 2014 04:31 FinestHour wrote:
again thats not even true either


Which are you responding to?

On October 31 2014 04:29 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 04:28 Gahlo wrote:
On October 31 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:48 cLutZ wrote:
IMO Ryze's toplane popularity is (in part) due to how minions work in the sidelanes right now. Which is, to put it mildly, poorly.


How do you mean? I've barely touched any of the side lanes since my return.


The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with).

Or be Riven and shit on him anyway.

I thought ryze vs riven was good for ryze?


On October 31 2014 04:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 04:29 Fusilero wrote:
On October 31 2014 04:28 Gahlo wrote:
On October 31 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:48 cLutZ wrote:
IMO Ryze's toplane popularity is (in part) due to how minions work in the sidelanes right now. Which is, to put it mildly, poorly.


How do you mean? I've barely touched any of the side lanes since my return.


The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with).

Or be Riven and shit on him anyway.

I thought ryze vs riven was good for ryze?

Nowhere close.


Ryze vs Riven is a terror lane. Ryze can build up a gradual advantage but it will all vanish in a puff of smoke if you make a misstep. I can win that match-up but it's going to need my A-game, flash dodging Wind Slash, mad jukes, etc.
I am the Town Medic.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 30 2014 19:55 GMT
#2523
the last statement on previous page what u said is right
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 20:05:09
October 30 2014 20:04 GMT
#2524
Don't see how a matchup can be considered good when you need to be on form as opposed to somebody who just needs to not fuck up hard.

By that reasoning, current and pre-meganerf Olaf was an good matchup for Riven.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 30 2014 20:06 GMT
#2525
I fucked up a question jeez, I'm relatively ignorant of ryze and only play him because meta and I despise riven so I don't understand either side. I normally pick irelia or rumble into riven.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 30 2014 20:10 GMT
#2526
although fuckin lol if overload dmg nerd goes through dont bother she will win much easier
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 20:24:43
October 30 2014 20:22 GMT
#2527
Why is Garen's rank 1 ult cooldown so damn long? 160s is nuts for a single target ability like that. I would play him so much more if he ult CDs made sense.

Like if you put it next to Riven (110), Darius (120), Nasus (120), Zed (120), it is just bizarrely long.
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
October 30 2014 20:22 GMT
#2528
I see this argument come up a lot where:

If players A and B both face roll then player A wins = A is favored.
If players A and B both play optimally then player B wins = B is favored.

Then people start making claims about team comps, item builds and soon enough player C is camping a lane and D can't farm = GG

This is just an observation that I find amusing while I lurk these forums
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 30 2014 20:42 GMT
#2529
On October 31 2014 05:22 Alzadar wrote:
Why is Garen's rank 1 ult cooldown so damn long? 160s is nuts for a single target ability like that. I would play him so much more if he ult CDs made sense.

Like if you put it next to Riven (110), Darius (120), Nasus (120), Zed (120), it is just bizarrely long.


It was supposed to be like that so he isn't OP.


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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 20:47:34
October 30 2014 20:45 GMT
#2530
On October 31 2014 05:22 Alzadar wrote:
Why is Garen's rank 1 ult cooldown so damn long? 160s is nuts for a single target ability like that. I would play him so much more if he ult CDs made sense.

Like if you put it next to Riven (110), Darius (120), Nasus (120), Zed (120), it is just bizarrely long.

If it's CD was any shorter he would be ridiculously snowbally.

Dying to his ult like one time is enough to throw the lane to him for good pretty much

On October 31 2014 01:07 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 31 2014 00:48 Gahlo wrote:
How bad do you guys think the Q nerf to Ryze on the PBE will hurt him? 60/85/110/135/160 => 40/60/80/100/120

Debating on picking up an AP top but I don't want to drop the IP on the glyph set if he's gonna be poop and be most of my way to somebody like Rumble.

is that damage change for reals? holy shit that's a pretty sizeable chunk. auto attacks do more damage than his Q at level 1 I bet.


Q lvl 1 now is already retarded mana inefficient lol..
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 21:13:46
October 30 2014 21:11 GMT
#2531
Thanks guys didn't expect so much response. Ill try to address questions later. But the big things I can recall from memory were:

*Have a niche
*Have a consistent stream schedule
*Be good at league (I'm low plat atm but I hit diamond 5 last season and I plan to do it again)
*Have a aesthetically pleasing stream (ATM I have got a webcam and nothing else)
EDIT Other things people recommended
*Be your self (I got this down In fact I can only be me.)


Random Aside: I have also been compiling replays that I wanna make a montage out of eventually
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 30 2014 21:32 GMT
#2532
On October 31 2014 04:28 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2014 03:48 cLutZ wrote:
IMO Ryze's toplane popularity is (in part) due to how minions work in the sidelanes right now. Which is, to put it mildly, poorly.


How do you mean? I've barely touched any of the side lanes since my return.


The minion block issue continues to exist, but also they dont always drop aggro in a predictable fashion (particularly harmful for melee champions), so if you are against Ryze he gets to trade for free earlygame. Basically your option is to be ranged (and what ranged champion is going to punish/outscale/etc ryze when TP is basically mandatory?), be a good Irelia, or just be a herbivore (which Ryze is perfectly happy with).

It's a little more than that -- Ryze can harass you with Q constantly which doesn't draw minion aggro, and his W is very strong 1v1 as a disengage. He suffers greatly when he can't self-peel with W (see, e.g., Aatrox / Jarvan IV).

Yes, no aggro on spells is what makes it hard for a start, but I think its the crazy minion stuff that makes him nearly impossible to deal with as shyvana, jax, udyr, etc.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 30 2014 21:40 GMT
#2533
Yeah, minions are nuts right now. I've had them flow me into unwarded brushes, and any lane aggression on a melee gets you flat out dead. Like straight up you'll have the caster minions chase you past your melee minions when you auto attack your lane opponent.

Hard Fucks melees in lane against ranged champs, cuz they can spam trade on you with spells for free, and when you retaliate you take huge minion damage and your lane gets hard pushing.

So dumb.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 21:42:51
October 30 2014 21:42 GMT
#2534
On October 31 2014 06:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Thanks guys didn't expect so much response. Ill try to address questions later. But the big things I can recall from memory were:

*Have a niche
*Have a consistent stream schedule
*Be good at league (I'm low plat atm but I hit diamond 5 last season and I plan to do it again)
*Have a aesthetically pleasing stream (ATM I have got a webcam and nothing else)
EDIT Other things people recommended
*Be your self (I got this down In fact I can only be me.)


Random Aside: I have also been compiling replays that I wanna make a montage out of eventually

I think having really well made montage clips like Shake did, can do a lot to get your name out there. (rip shake).
Especially if they make front page of Reddit.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 30 2014 21:46 GMT
#2535
On October 31 2014 06:40 iCanada wrote:
Yeah, minions are nuts right now. I've had them flow me into unwarded brushes, and any lane aggression on a melee gets you flat out dead. Like straight up you'll have the caster minions chase you past your melee minions when you auto attack your lane opponent.

Hard Fucks melees in lane against ranged champs, cuz they can spam trade on you with spells for free, and when you retaliate you take huge minion damage and your lane gets hard pushing.

So dumb.


makes Annie harass a huge pain as well. Can't abuse the long range of my AA in the first few levels if all the creeps just deal equal damage to me and follow me to my turret
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 21:52:20
October 30 2014 21:51 GMT
#2536
Ryze v Riven is like a Kayle v Darius matchup, where you are theoretically favored but you fuck up just one little bit and it is all over. It's better to describe the matchup along two axes: which champ is favored, and how volatile the matchup is.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 30 2014 22:05 GMT
#2537
Posted my Vel'Koz guide for those interested.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 30 2014 22:24 GMT
#2538
Late to the party but I just gotta say

Dearest J. Brundig,

I will totally watch your stream all the time.

Sincerely,

Well, you know
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 30 2014 22:57 GMT
#2539
On October 31 2014 06:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 06:40 iCanada wrote:
Yeah, minions are nuts right now. I've had them flow me into unwarded brushes, and any lane aggression on a melee gets you flat out dead. Like straight up you'll have the caster minions chase you past your melee minions when you auto attack your lane opponent.

Hard Fucks melees in lane against ranged champs, cuz they can spam trade on you with spells for free, and when you retaliate you take huge minion damage and your lane gets hard pushing.

So dumb.


makes Annie harass a huge pain as well. Can't abuse the long range of my AA in the first few levels if all the creeps just deal equal damage to me and follow me to my turret


And you know, auto attacking just serves yourself up on a plate for the enemy jungle.

It's hard for me to take auto attacks out of my reading habits, lol. I keep doing it do, all inning and then losing to like 400 creep damage.

I'm too old to change my habits like that man.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 30 2014 23:06 GMT
#2540
On October 31 2014 07:57 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 06:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2014 06:40 iCanada wrote:
Yeah, minions are nuts right now. I've had them flow me into unwarded brushes, and any lane aggression on a melee gets you flat out dead. Like straight up you'll have the caster minions chase you past your melee minions when you auto attack your lane opponent.

Hard Fucks melees in lane against ranged champs, cuz they can spam trade on you with spells for free, and when you retaliate you take huge minion damage and your lane gets hard pushing.

So dumb.


makes Annie harass a huge pain as well. Can't abuse the long range of my AA in the first few levels if all the creeps just deal equal damage to me and follow me to my turret


And you know, auto attacking just serves yourself up on a plate for the enemy jungle.


Well, it's something you have to keep in mind and be ready for. I love (in the loose sense of the word) when people gank mid cuz I generally trust myself not to die more than I'll trust my team not to die.
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