[Patch 4.15] Master Tier General Discussion - Page 70

On September 08 2014 09:16 Alaric wrote:
... the heck are you calling a "4v0" when it's used to indicate a lane swap with offlaner + jungler taking buffs then joining the duo lane to push at least one tower? Once the push is over (or stopped) you don't have a 0 anymore since there are people in every lane (typically, the offlaner went into the "intact" lane, and the duo in the lane the enemy 4 just emptied of towers, a reverse swap with two 1v2s if you want).
From there, at first we had the other side outer falling because of the 1v2, and the team accomplishing it first rotated mid to get a 1-2 towers (or a tower+drake) advantage, then we entered the slow midgame where people farmed without doing much for most teams.

At worlds s3, the Korean reaction to it was to not take the t2. Then they send their offlaner to the emptied lane, to freeze near the inhibitor tower., and their duo lane has its outer tower up.
Then, the lane frozen in front of the inhib tower is unfarmable because of the risk of collapsing if someone shows up there. And if the enemy team creates 1v2s again, then their offlaner has a t2 and the enemy team has at worst equal numbers on that side of the map, so it's always risky to attack them. Plus, with the offlaner incredibly starved even if the jungler comes the 2v2 would usually be in favour of the duo lane at this stage of the game. As long as the river and buff bush are warded, the duo lane can zone the offlaner at his t2, while their own is freezing near the inhibitor tower.
There are answers to it but because noone apart from the Chinese played differently compared to a standard 4v0 each team takes 2 turrets in mirrored lanes they got the short end of the stick. That's what I've been saying from the start, don't give me "hurr durr it's not perfect", that's what I've said twice before this post! And that it doesn't freaking matter when people don't react to it. Like what happened at worlds s3. Like I said twice.

There is no 4v0 to be had in this configuration because there's someone in every lane. And even if you try to 4v1 for the inhib tower, remember that before the swaps occur again the push stopped. Either because you were content with 2 towers, or because the enemy team backed and would have defended the enemy tower (and you're deep in enemy territory so the enemy mid will be there earlier and you'll get flanked).
So you've backed, there are wards up, and the team can smell something fishy if they see no enemy at the t2 taking the sweet sweet farm, and there are no dragon attempts, so they can react to it. You don't bulldoze an inhibitor tower at the 7th minute when the enemy team sees it coming.

On September 08 2014 08:40 Sufficiency wrote:


Ranked Dominion won't change a thing.

You have to realize only a very small percentage of the player base (at least on NA) plays ranked Summoners' Rift (I can EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVELY put it at 10%). Getting up another queue don't do anything.

That person who is complaining about the lack of ranked Dominion Queue is very much misinformed.

On September 08 2014 09:03 JSH wrote:
Speaking of sub 30, I saw someone playing lol with a laptop touchpad only lol

On September 08 2014 09:51 Alaric wrote:
Yeah I totally didn't write "s3 worlds" 4 or 5 times already.

There's no sarcasm when I say I didn't write that the AD would try to freeze on top of the offlaner though.

On September 08 2014 11:31 iCanada wrote:
SO I started playing Fiddles again after seeing koreans do it in soloqueue.

New main acquired.

Lulz. This champ is ridiculous. Them ratios.

On September 08 2014 05:51 Kinie wrote:


That's also because Flame has been the only good/consistent player on CJ Blaze since he joined them, and all of CJ's attempts to build around Flame have failed.

And if we are talking about top 3 NA players for their role, here's my list (in no order):

Top: Zion, Balls, Dyrus
Jungle: Meteos, Dexter, NoName
Mid: XWX, Bjergsen, Shiphtur
ADC: Dlift, Wildturtle, Sneaky
Support: Lemon, Aphro, Xpecial