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On September 08 2014 01:40 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 01:35 ghrur wrote:On September 07 2014 22:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 07 2014 22:34 Alaric wrote:
He's consistent. Dyrus... not so much. And in Bo series, consistency and resilience to tilting are very important skills. Real? If Dyrus is hyped up about any part of his play, it's him being consistent. Only times I've remembered Dyrus tilting hard was S3WC. Dyrus also tilted super fucking hard vs C9 in the spring split. Like, he went 1-7-1 as a Renekton in game 2 of the spring split vs C9 (about 2x as much as anybody else on his team). The thing about Dyrus is that when he tilts, he's like the biggest feeder ever. I think Balls is much more consistent than Dyrus, and the reason Balls had no lane pressure in these recent games of C9 vs TSM isn't because Balls is bad. It's because C9's whole strat was "Let's fuck over balls to give sneaky farm :D." Its not even farm, it was levels. High Level Kog > High Level Lulu was the idea. I think it smart. Just need top not have balls in a hard lose matchup as well. TSM was smart, because that strategy had Sneaky being a monster the whole playoffs and no other team picked well enough top make Balls look bad.
I think it was also farm as well because all the side-lane farm ended up being siphoned off to Hai or Sneaky and hardly ever Balls. Sneaky was a monster, but I don't think the level advantage made too much of a difference because TSM ended up being higher in overall levels afterwards. Like, Balls in Bot lane got denied much harder than Dyrus in top, so it ended up with Balls having a 2-level disadvantage in lane while Sneaky only had a 1-level advantage (and lemon, none). :/
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On September 08 2014 01:35 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 22:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 07 2014 22:34 Alaric wrote:
He's consistent. Dyrus... not so much. And in Bo series, consistency and resilience to tilting are very important skills. Real? If Dyrus is hyped up about any part of his play, it's him being consistent. Only times I've remembered Dyrus tilting hard was S3WC. Dyrus also tilted super fucking hard vs C9 in the spring split. Like, he went 1-7-1 as a Renekton in game 2 of the spring split vs C9 (about 2x as much as anybody else on his team). The thing about Dyrus is that when he tilts, he's like the biggest feeder ever. I think Balls is much more consistent than Dyrus, and the reason Balls had no lane pressure in these recent games of C9 vs TSM isn't because Balls is bad. It's because C9's whole strat was "Let's fuck over balls to give sneaky farm :D."
*exp, since he was on either Trist or Corki. But that was the idea, yeah.
It wasn't even "Balls vs Dyrus", because C9 swapped back afterwards and used the level advantage to bully WT's Tristana. But they forgot to take into account their comp, where Balls, in a disadvantaged match-up from the start, was 2+ levels behind while still needing fam because he was their frontline and they had to take a lead by midgame lest Tristana outscaled.
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On September 08 2014 01:47 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 01:40 iCanada wrote:On September 08 2014 01:35 ghrur wrote:On September 07 2014 22:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 07 2014 22:34 Alaric wrote:
He's consistent. Dyrus... not so much. And in Bo series, consistency and resilience to tilting are very important skills. Real? If Dyrus is hyped up about any part of his play, it's him being consistent. Only times I've remembered Dyrus tilting hard was S3WC. Dyrus also tilted super fucking hard vs C9 in the spring split. Like, he went 1-7-1 as a Renekton in game 2 of the spring split vs C9 (about 2x as much as anybody else on his team). The thing about Dyrus is that when he tilts, he's like the biggest feeder ever. I think Balls is much more consistent than Dyrus, and the reason Balls had no lane pressure in these recent games of C9 vs TSM isn't because Balls is bad. It's because C9's whole strat was "Let's fuck over balls to give sneaky farm :D." Its not even farm, it was levels. High Level Kog > High Level Lulu was the idea. I think it smart. Just need top not have balls in a hard lose matchup as well. TSM was smart, because that strategy had Sneaky being a monster the whole playoffs and no other team picked well enough top make Balls look bad. I think it was also farm as well because all the side-lane farm ended up being siphoned off to Hai or Sneaky and hardly ever Balls. Sneaky was a monster, but I don't think the level advantage made too much of a difference because TSM ended up being higher in overall levels afterwards. Like, Balls in Bot lane got denied much harder than Dyrus in top, so it ended up with Balls having a 2-level disadvantage in lane while Sneaky only had a 1-level advantage (and lemon, none). :/
Yeah, but it worked out in C9's favor all playoffs long, you can't really blame them continueing to go for it. Just got to give TSM credit, they scouted well and outdrafted C9 knowing that strat.
At the end of the day, it benefits NA that they figured that TSM figured it out and not Korea.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
What I've noticed that I'm encountering ppl that play Akali in like every 2nd game of mine, damn. Whenever I play support i just stack pinks and oracle and it's pretty goddamn easy.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
I've personally been encountering lots of barrier kats, they tend to lane well and get roam kills then go in way too early every teamfights. Not sure how the barrier is relevant but it's odd to me.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
IIRC the C9 vs TSM games showed pretty well why the standard duo lane is support+ADC and not a support+bruiser/melee caster with an ADC in solo lane.
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Does anyone else have the failing to connect after champ select issue?
Ive not been playing a whole lot since i reached gold but everytime i log on i get this issue until i restart league/pc/router (any combination randomly fixes it)
Apparently a shit load of people have the issue along with other random BS since 4.10 or something near july, which seems about right.
Kinda shitty tbh, i just want to log on for an aram or two every now and then and i end up raging at my fucking PC for rekkin the first ~1-4 minutes of my games. No way in hell im going to queue ranked like this.
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I haven't played much recently, but I definitely noticed connection troubles after last patch on EUNE.
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The reason I don't rate sneaky and lemon that highly is look how often c9 avoid the 2v2. They purposely set balls back just to avoid standard lanes. Watch chasing the cup, even c9 acknowledges how their standard lane game is bad, because they don't know how to play it out. This is one of the main reason why I don't think sneaky is best adc in NA. Top 3, yes. Best? Probably not.
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On September 08 2014 03:02 Scip wrote:
IIRC the C9 vs TSM games showed pretty well why the standard duo lane is support+ADC and not a support+bruiser/melee caster with an ADC in solo lane.
I'd love you to expand on this, but it actually reminds me of the old CJ Blaze Flame strategy which teams have figured out for 14? months.It has seemed odd that fewer teams have been taking advantage of the ADC freeze with dives, or just the old 4v0 fastpush (particularly if you are blue side or have nunu).
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On September 08 2014 03:37 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 03:02 Scip wrote:
IIRC the C9 vs TSM games showed pretty well why the standard duo lane is support+ADC and not a support+bruiser/melee caster with an ADC in solo lane. I'd love you to expand on this, but it actually reminds me of the old CJ Blaze Flame strategy which teams have figured out for 14? months.It has seemed odd that fewer teams have been taking advantage of the ADC freeze with dives, or just the old 4v0 fastpush (particularly if you are blue side or have nunu).
Because I think most teams now are willing to contest a 4 man early game push considering how much more dragon is worth early on now.
Not to mention tower changes since meta change. China still does early game 4 man dives at level 3, but thats cuz china is batshit insane.
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More like "if they do the 4v0, we'll trade the tier 1, then let them get a tier 2 (and take a dragon if our 4 is bot), send our off laner freeze the lane near the inhibitor tower, ward up that side of the jungle and starve theirs from not only gold but also exp, and acquire a massive lead in a few minutes".
That's how Koreans played against the 4v0 at Worlds s3 and only the Chinese stopped doing it against them upon seeing that.
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On September 08 2014 03:49 Alaric wrote:
More like "if they do the 4v0, we'll trade the tier 1, then let them get a tier 2 (and take a dragon if our 4 is bot), send our off laner freeze the lane near the inhibitor tower, ward up that side of the jungle and starve theirs from not only gold but also exp, and acquire a massive lead in a few minutes".
That's how Koreans played against the 4v0 at Worlds s3 and only the Chinese stopped doing it against them upon seeing that.
I'd like a little more explanation because it seems, to me, that those options are really not available once you have committed to the freeze.
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Because you only destroy one tower and you have your duo there, it's easier for you to shove and prevent the enemy from freezing on you.
On the other hand, if your off laner freezes near inhibitor tower, do you image their own, who's level 2, 3 at best, come and shove to that tower so he can get some farm once the lane pushes back (even if it does, it'll take a long time), without the jungler and probably mid collapsing on him, so far from safety?
Of course you can instead let the guy freeze, and dive on the other side of the map and take more towers so that for the 1 you lost, you get 3-4 and dragon/buff control, even if it means your offlaner has no farm the global gold makes up for it. If he gets involved in kills on people high level than him he'll also catch up real fast.
But most teams didn't wise up to that, did the standard 4v0 push 2 towers, then fell behind.
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IIRC it worked extremely well for cj cuz flame was such a beast with all that farm.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
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LOL that post is so funny.
Riot doesn't care if Dominion players go to Heroes of the Storm. Very few players actually play Dominion.
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Reading this I was just thinking "who the hell cares about dominion"... If they really want competitive play why don't they organize leagues and tournaments themselves if they say they have the community ? Does anything prevent you from playing 5v5 arranged dominion games ? Riot is already doing too much by even making balance changes for 3v3 and dominion, imo, I'm not sure what he's hoping.
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On September 08 2014 04:43 wei2coolman wrote:
IIRC it worked extremely well for cj cuz flame was such a beast with all that farm.
That's also because Flame has been the only good/consistent player on CJ Blaze since he joined them, and all of CJ's attempts to build around Flame have failed.
And if we are talking about top 3 NA players for their role, here's my list (in no order):
Top: Zion, Balls, Dyrus
Jungle: Meteos, Dexter, NoName
Mid: XWX, Bjergsen, Shiphtur
ADC: Dlift, Wildturtle, Sneaky
Support: Lemon, Aphro, Xpecial
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He even timed it like a week before a Dominion only featured mode comes out.
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EPT
