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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 16:14:40
September 09 2014 16:13 GMT
#1561
the 150 mana and 40 ap per 1k gold invested is pretty useful for him as a support though. he may not be too powerful at level 1 but he will likely trade very well bot lane, if his on next attack ability is remotely like the spellblade passives in that you can actually use the auto before you cast the spell and still have the on hit apply. i pretty much see that or lich bane as a core item in his future.
OmegaKnetus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany431 Posts
September 09 2014 17:18 GMT
#1562
tbh seeing that viktor update makes me think he's gonna be a good top lane bully (read cancer) with empored autos, area stun and move speed boost. Depending on his numbers he might be pretty op lategame with an ori ult on w and decent damage.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 17:46 GMT
#1563
Na, even with the speed boost, he'll just die to anyone with a gap closer and assassins.
Zed already shits on him, Yasuo probably does too (sure he needs to stick to you, but with two shields he'll have more than enough HP to survive your ult), stuff like Irelia or Jax destroys him in an utterly one-sided manner (less so for Jax), etc.

At early levels Viktor is weaker, especially in terms of bullying. His numbers are almost halved for Q, the cd is longer, everything is magic, etc.
And by the time it becomes stronger these champions will smash you regardless.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 18:37:02
September 09 2014 18:17 GMT
#1564
Wut...

They took Viktors silence from his R.

I dunno how I feel about this. Seems like they are worried too much about him being to strong. It's funny that they just made QW augments start sticks too instead of actually giving them good utility. Kha can have good utility on evolves, but not Viktor.

Atleast Viktor has instant shields now. I do think he'll still bully kids, his autos will hit hard after Q and they can't really trade back with the shield. Sucks that it makes the whole auto magic damage though. Pretty big hit on an otherwise awesome ability.

They literally nerfed all his damage numbers. Edit: I lied, his ult actually does more damage, by a fair bit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 09 2014 18:41 GMT
#1565
The silence was super awkward anyway. It was only 0.5 seconds so it was not overwhelmingly long. It was there pretty much to make Katarina feel bad about herself.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 18:42 GMT
#1566
Helped against stuff like Ahri or LB, actually.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 09 2014 18:45 GMT
#1567
It barely helps. For most champions the 0.5 silence is an annoyance. It's not long enough to make a big difference.

It should be either lengthened or removed.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 09 2014 18:54 GMT
#1568
not that Fizz is a good match up for him anyway, but it keeps silences him just long enough to keep him from jumping out of your trap, i.e. Fizz Q's to you, you W>R him and you will get the stun.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 19:07 GMT
#1569
Viktor's actually good versus Fizz because as long as you don't get in Q range he'll have to burn E to reach you, meaning W automatically stuns him.
You can also bully him early with Q and autos (play aggressive from level 1).
Sure he can dodge E with his own but unless you let him get on you for that it won't matter. And because he's melee, once you're done bullying him levels 1-3 you can just zone him under turret as long as you ward well, between W and E.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 09 2014 19:15 GMT
#1570
changing the ult to channel interruption will make the match up significantly easier for the Fizz is all I'm trying to say
Carrilord has arrived.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 09 2014 19:17 GMT
#1571
0.5 seconds can't keep Fizz in.


Viktor's W requires 1.5 seconds to stun, the silence is only 0.5 seconds.

It's a bit difference from Blitz whose 0.5 silence is enough for him to use an E.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 19:41:26
September 09 2014 19:38 GMT
#1572
Looking at the Viktor rework, I feel like his late game is going to be absolutely terrifying.

If he grabbed a Tear early he could do a build like Seraph + Deathcap + Void + Hex Core + Lich Bane. That and an elixir gives end game Viktor 923 AP.

You put CDR boots and CDR glyphs on that and now he's at 35% CDR, giving his Q a 2.6 second cooldown.

So, with Q augment he'd have a 304 damage Q with a 294 shield, that would give him a big speed boost and make his subsequent lich bane auto do 1296 magic damage.

So, 1600 magic damage and 300 strength shield with a speed boost every 2.6 seconds, and that's only ONE of his skills. His laser still does 900 damage at 1100 range on a 6ish sec cooldown and his ult still does a total of 3270 damage.

That's pretty spectacular.


The downside is he doesn't have any armor or MR in that build, but he does have a 750 HP Seraph shield and is getting a 300 HP shield every 2.6 seconds from Q spam. Put a Heal/Barrier and a Lulu top shield on him and he'll be pretty hard to kill.

Numbers wise I feel like his early game Q bullying might take a hit in this rework, but he'll still be able to do safe laser farm and his late game will be ridiculous and absurd.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
September 09 2014 19:38 GMT
#1573
Can someone remind me what that website was that showed you who the top players were for each champion? Like if I typed in Ezreal it would list the players and their rankings with the most Ezreal games played.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 09 2014 19:39 GMT
#1574
No, it's a big deal. Add in the tune for fizz to realize his skill didn't go off, and then react. You're usually in stun zone, especially when you consider you casted W first.

The silence removal hurts in a lot of situations. Many times you coild get full combo off before they could respond, and now their choice becomes stuck around and try kill you before ult kills them in like 3s, or gtfo. Now there isn't a window for you to kill then dead before can respond.

It's a huge nerf.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 19:44 GMT
#1575
Depending on the timing and such of E augment he might actually not ne able to farm like that anymore.
Also a Braum's W would be way better than even a Lulu top shield in terms of EHP.

And the 6-items end game fantasy doesn't matter, especially when he's so bad at charging a Tear unless you stack CDR and splitpush with Q.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 09 2014 19:49 GMT
#1576
I wonder if his empowered auto damages towers.

1300 damage autos on towers is probably strong.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 09 2014 20:26 GMT
#1577
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-416-notes
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 21:53:02
September 09 2014 21:50 GMT
#1578
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