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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
September 09 2014 08:50 GMT
#1541
On September 09 2014 17:45 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 17:28 Celial wrote:
On September 09 2014 03:35 Scip wrote:
jungle garen sucks so much dick that it's not unreasonable that he is never desirable over jungler volibear
there are like 50+ champions who are never desirable as jungle
heres the list
+ Show Spoiler +
ahri, akali, alistar, anivia, annie, ashe, blitzcrank, brand, caitlyn, cassiopea, corki, draven, fiora, fizz, galio, graves, irelia, janna, jinx, katarina, kennen, kog'maw, leblanc, lissandra, lucian, lulu, miss fortune, nami, orianna, quinn, renekton, ryze, sion, sivir, sona, swain, syndra, teemo, thresh, tristana, twisted fate, twitch, urgot, varus, vayne, veigar, vel'koz, viktor, xerath, ziggs, and zilean

and I've been extremely generous in my assesment here


Aren't Akali and Urgot junglers Nightblue likes to play occasionally? With nearly 100% success whenever he pulls them out? I mean the dude is probably the best non-pro solo queue jungler out there, and if he thinks its worthwhile...


Well, that's pretty easy to check. He's 9-16 with Akali and has 0 games with Urgot.


Huh, probably was on one of his smurfs then. That devalues his performance a lot. Could've checked that myself though, d'oh.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 09 2014 08:52 GMT
#1542
On September 09 2014 17:50 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 17:45 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 09 2014 17:28 Celial wrote:
On September 09 2014 03:35 Scip wrote:
jungle garen sucks so much dick that it's not unreasonable that he is never desirable over jungler volibear
there are like 50+ champions who are never desirable as jungle
heres the list
+ Show Spoiler +
ahri, akali, alistar, anivia, annie, ashe, blitzcrank, brand, caitlyn, cassiopea, corki, draven, fiora, fizz, galio, graves, irelia, janna, jinx, katarina, kennen, kog'maw, leblanc, lissandra, lucian, lulu, miss fortune, nami, orianna, quinn, renekton, ryze, sion, sivir, sona, swain, syndra, teemo, thresh, tristana, twisted fate, twitch, urgot, varus, vayne, veigar, vel'koz, viktor, xerath, ziggs, and zilean

and I've been extremely generous in my assesment here


Aren't Akali and Urgot junglers Nightblue likes to play occasionally? With nearly 100% success whenever he pulls them out? I mean the dude is probably the best non-pro solo queue jungler out there, and if he thinks its worthwhile...


Well, that's pretty easy to check. He's 9-16 with Akali and has 0 games with Urgot.


Huh, probably was on one of his smurfs then. That devalues his performance a lot. Could've checked that myself though, d'oh.

He had a decent amount of Akali jungle games in which he did well but it was on his Nightbloo EUW account.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 09 2014 08:57 GMT
#1543
I don't watch Nightblue much, but as I recall he won a couple games with jungle tank Akali and proclaimed it to be the next big thing, then just did terribly after that and said that really it's just bad.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 09 2014 09:01 GMT
#1544
He showed me Karthus jungle was a thing.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 09 2014 09:24 GMT
#1545
Anyone noticed an increase in random bugsplats of late?
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
September 09 2014 10:06 GMT
#1546
On September 09 2014 13:29 miicah wrote:
So I used to do this method of SoloQ where I would play two games on my main (ranked) and if I went Win-Loss or Win-Win, I'd play the third match but if I went Loss-Loss I'd go and play on my smurf. I'd try and do this every day (so 2-3 games per day). Recently I haven't been able to play every day so maybe every 3rd day I'm grinding out 4-6 games regardless of win/loss. It feels a lot more streaky and I've been bouncing constantly from Gold V -> Gold III and back again.

Just wondering if there is maybe a correlation and I should go back to just stopping once I have a 2 game loss streak.

EDIT: trying to get plat before end of season.

I'm experiencing this at the moment, but in Silver. Constantly between Silver 3 and 4, with big win streaks to get back to silver 3 or loss streaks to be demoted. I also can't play regularly. Some nights I can get through 3 games, others 0.

To add to the unorthodox junglers list - Zyra is stupidly fun. Of course she isn't 'viable', but it's a blast brutally ganking lanes with Red buff ticking.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 09 2014 10:08 GMT
#1547
it's a good thing malzahar wansn't on that list, scip, or you would be getting fukn rekt
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 09 2014 11:26 GMT
#1548
On September 09 2014 18:24 schmutttt wrote:
Anyone noticed an increase in random bugsplats of late?

I been having this issue the last few days and I had to reinstall league.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 09 2014 11:40 GMT
#1549
Not so much bugsplats, but I've never seen blatant bugs ingame as often before.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
September 09 2014 11:41 GMT
#1550
I have had a few recently, I even had one bug splat where I was in the middle of killing an akali as Darius where I dropped a pink ward and was pressing r only my screen went black and the bugsplat notification came up. When I got back in the game I had dced before ulting and died.....gg riot
Moar banelings less qq
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 09 2014 12:08 GMT
#1551
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 12:37:20
September 09 2014 12:36 GMT
#1552
Soraka jungle is an interesting jungle. you can roam through mid lane while farming for lvl 6, donate mana + heal to keep the lane winning and go back to farming. once you get 6 pretty quickly its difficult to dive anyone on your team and soraka can turn around ganks pretty globally. otherwise she just gets tanky aura items and controls vision absolutely.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
September 09 2014 13:23 GMT
#1553
On September 09 2014 18:24 schmutttt wrote:
Anyone noticed an increase in random bugsplats of late?


I've noticed that if I hit tab before the 'victory' or 'defeat' shows up in game, it will bugsplat/cause the game to crash. I've also noticed that for ARAM, the victory/defeat screens are a lot more delayed than I remember them being.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35164 Posts
September 09 2014 13:26 GMT
#1554
More detailed Viktor stuff:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2Hxh1fnf-the-truer-evolution-3rd
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
September 09 2014 13:43 GMT
#1555
they are taking my imaginary internet points away in the ls reddit thread for reminding people that ls used to steal coaching money as recent as december =(
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 09 2014 13:46 GMT
#1556
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 13:59 GMT
#1557
Uh? Why Visage over Zhonya's?

@Viktor:
- his early laning should be weaker, you go from 80 to 55 damage, so his strong level 1-2 are toned down now.
- W augment still not interesting. If you want it so hard, you'd pick Orianna instead. And the stats aren't good enough to make up for it.
- the power spike of getting augment is possibly gone (you get 32 AP instead of 45 at level 7, 40% additional damage instead of 30% but the aftershock needs to hit). It'll depend on how the aftershock behaves. A lot will depend on it (ability to clear the wave in one spell, remember his E's cooldown is very significant now compared to your average ability).
- His numbers are nerfed overall, but because of how many more AP the Perfected Hexcore gives, it should help to make up for it (esp. if you go Deathcap too), along with the level scaling for Q's aa, and make him stronger damage-wise.

I'm a bit disappointed that all the augments give the same stats, but I understand that they want people to choose the utility over the stats stick. I think I'd have happily seen the stats lowered to have a bigger impact on the augments. You'd want for them to big, maybe not game-changers, but when Kha'Zix gains the AoE poke/clear from spikes or the resets from Leap for dives and teamfights, it has an effect on the game. When you get the W augment, I don't think it'll make the enemy team more eager to gtfo the Gravity Field than they are already.

Viktor's powerspike was in the midgame, not because the hexcore "falls off" (it's still 100 AP and a damage buff that'd be pretty significant if Viktor didn't have such average base stats and numbers because of he Augments), but now his early levels are nerfed, his powerspikes probably slightly worse (to terribly worse if augmented E's behaviour sucks) and his lategame is stronger. If he still has his range issues and ult glitches it won't mean much, otherwise... I dunno. In the current meta it's certainly a nerf though to hit his midgame because his lategame is already inferior to other picks (and he won't 100-0 that Kog or Tristana, let alone reach them).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 14:09:04
September 09 2014 14:02 GMT
#1558
On September 09 2014 22:43 Celial wrote:
they are taking my imaginary internet points away in the ls reddit thread for reminding people that ls used to steal coaching money as recent as december =(

For whatever reason, they like ls and no amount of history and proof will reverse the circlejerk otherwise.

Patch tomorrow.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 09 2014 14:27 GMT
#1559
On September 09 2014 22:59 Alaric wrote:
Uh? Why Visage over Zhonya's?

@Viktor:
- his early laning should be weaker, you go from 80 to 55 damage, so his strong level 1-2 are toned down now.
- W augment still not interesting. If you want it so hard, you'd pick Orianna instead. And the stats aren't good enough to make up for it.
- the power spike of getting augment is possibly gone (you get 32 AP instead of 45 at level 7, 40% additional damage instead of 30% but the aftershock needs to hit). It'll depend on how the aftershock behaves. A lot will depend on it (ability to clear the wave in one spell, remember his E's cooldown is very significant now compared to your average ability).
- His numbers are nerfed overall, but because of how many more AP the Perfected Hexcore gives, it should help to make up for it (esp. if you go Deathcap too), along with the level scaling for Q's aa, and make him stronger damage-wise.

I'm a bit disappointed that all the augments give the same stats, but I understand that they want people to choose the utility over the stats stick. I think I'd have happily seen the stats lowered to have a bigger impact on the augments. You'd want for them to big, maybe not game-changers, but when Kha'Zix gains the AoE poke/clear from spikes or the resets from Leap for dives and teamfights, it has an effect on the game. When you get the W augment, I don't think it'll make the enemy team more eager to gtfo the Gravity Field than they are already.

Viktor's powerspike was in the midgame, not because the hexcore "falls off" (it's still 100 AP and a damage buff that'd be pretty significant if Viktor didn't have such average base stats and numbers because of he Augments), but now his early levels are nerfed, his powerspikes probably slightly worse (to terribly worse if augmented E's behaviour sucks) and his lategame is stronger. If he still has his range issues and ult glitches it won't mean much, otherwise... I dunno. In the current meta it's certainly a nerf though to hit his midgame because his lategame is already inferior to other picks (and he won't 100-0 that Kog or Tristana, let alone reach them).

well, he gets a massive amount of base damage on his power transfer. play him as a damage support i guess? spend the 3k on his passive after sightstone as you can afford it?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 09 2014 14:33 GMT
#1560
No, he gets it from levels, so it'll depend on how it scales (is it linear, or like BT/Yasuo with a huge % in the last 4-5 levels?), it makes his harass/trading actually very weak (he was strong at level 1, he'll prob lose trades instead now with the longer cd and 25 less damage, more than a quarter; it's not a big issue but I don't think he'll bully anymore).

As a support, the augments really aren't interesting. E needs you to deal damage to make it stronger, Q is mobility when somebody jumps you, and W is still W, you're paying a lot for a vacuum when you could just have Orianna be mid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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