EPTWards aren't like in DotA where you have a limited amount. Their shop stock is unlimited and Trinkets even give you some free. Consequently every player should be buying wards.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Wards aren't like in DotA where you have a limited amount. Their shop stock is unlimited and Trinkets even give you some free. Consequently every player should be buying wards. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:00 Slusher wrote: Once you have gold for wards you (ideally first back as mid) you want to swap to sweeper. Although the lower your Mmr the less useful sweeper is so try it a couple times and judge for yourself I assume the question comes because you are a Dota player, best explanation is ward limit is done by player instead of by team. So the team with more people contributing to vision has a huge information advantage Yeah, sorta. In Dota, there is usually 1-2 people who ward and that's pretty much all they can afford to do. Just won another match because Riven carried us so hard. Even with sightstone some supports don't even use the wards which is a little concerning... I'll start buying wards and such. I get ganked quite a bit by certain line-ups, so the wards may help instead of buying 2 HP potions every time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:00 Slusher wrote: I assume the question comes because you are a Dota player, best explanation is ward limit is done by player instead of by team. So the team with more people contributing to vision has a huge information advantage Even comparing the ward limit to DotA's can be a bit misleading because the limit is on "number of wards per player that can be active at once", and not "number of wards per player that can be bought". On September 01 2014 03:06 Torte de Lini wrote: Yeah, sorta. In Dota, there is usually 1-2 people who ward and that's pretty much all they can afford to do. That's only because ward buying is capped in DotA. If there was no limit, every player would buy wards in DotA as well, because for the most part ward vision far outweighs its actual gold value in both games. Even in DotA if your supports don't buy the wards, it's worth it to just buy them yourself because having them far outweighs how much gold they cost. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 01 2014 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: no need to practice bad habits just because you aren't quite there yet. a good rule of thumb is to get sweeper once laning is over if you are ahead. If behind keep the trinket. Well it's not really about bad habits, it's about there being no wards to sweep. Rather have someone practice getting vision than removing vision. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 01 2014 02:43 Torte de Lini wrote: What do I do if I'm losing mid? Like this game I just lost mid hard as I was ganked twice by Rengar and he just beat me overall (Malzahar). Do I stay in the lane and eventually take his tower or try my hand at something else? When you are losing, you will often find yourself unable to control your lane... simply because he can kill you more easily and/or outshove you. Depending on the match up, you will often find yourself being constantly shoved to your own tower. The best thing to do in this situation is to keep your lane warded. Just put a ward in the middle of the lane. This will allow you to keep track of the opposing mid laner while you are at your own tower. It's not the ideal situation, but if you can't 1v1 him you should just provide warnings to your teammates as much as possible and hopefully they can deal with him. You can also try to follow him. It depends on who you are playing as and who you are against, plus how your team looks like. But if you are behind, do so carefully because it might make things worse for you. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Been spamming a ton of games on Jayce atm. Seems pretty good, as it's another AD item with CDR. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:41 sung_moon wrote: Is there like any champ Essence Reaver is worth building on? Been spamming a ton of games on Jayce atm. Seems pretty good, as it's another AD item with CDR. Never quite liked essence reaver on jayce. Manamune feels so much better. Plus he seems to get plenty of cdr from boots+bruta | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:39 wei2coolman wrote: Best thing to do when losing mid is I feel losing as mid lane is not the end of the world, but needs to be dealt carefully because the enemy mid laner may run amok and make you lose the game. It's a bit different from top lane. Because top lane is longer and top laners are often melee, if you are behind you can get zoned almost entirely. Often I see top laners (when losing) forced to do these "desperation roams" because there is literally nothing else they can do while the lane is pushed to the enemy tower. On mid lane you always have the outplay potential because it's often about hitting skillshots and stuff. You also have more opportunities to roam. Overall I feel it's a lot easier to recover as a mid laner with the right mind set. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Best auto correct ever lol | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
In any case, don't do Muramana Warwick, it's not good. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:53 Slusher wrote: Yea I don't like it at all on Jayce Muramana active is just so powerful for him and you don't really need more mp5 than that. If I back with 1550 I'll gladly snag a thruster. Best auto correct ever lol If you can save that much in lane, you deserve to thrust them to death. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On September 01 2014 02:35 krndandaman wrote: you should know that all things, including league and academics, require time and effort. so I'm guessing you won't play more than 5 games a week- that's not really enough to improve a full tier but should be enough to stay relatively the same. For me playing only 1 or 2 games a week was enough to stay in plat. Seeing how going up a tier seems kinda low on your priority list, it's only expected that you probably won't improve in it. That makes sense. I'll see what I can do, I don't have my computer set up or anything here, so I guess I'll see what I can muster up, I doubt I'll improve at all until I can find more time to play haha. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You don't have to keep 3 wards up at all times, but depending on where you drop a pink for example it can stay a long time (in the river bushes is popular, you can also put one in the bush behind your red buff, it's "safer" eg. less likely to be cleared, and still lets you remove most wards they'll put at your own wraiths, while protecting that entrance of your jungle, more particularly mid roams and enemy jungler trying to bypass river wards). You can try to get a "feel" for which paths are preferred by the enemy jungler (or in general) and ward these, same with the timings (for example currently around 3:10 is typically when the jungler has finished his top-side buff (blue for blue side, red for purple side) and is ready to gank mid or more often top, so don't push recklessly and without vision at that point), so your wards are in place ahead of time and you don't risk facechecking the enemy jungler or a roaming laner when you go to put one down. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 01 2014 03:41 sung_moon wrote: Is there like any champ Essence Reaver is worth building on? Been spamming a ton of games on Jayce atm. Seems pretty good, as it's another AD item with CDR. no. that item currently sucks. every champion that could potentially want Essence Reaver would rather get Muramana instead. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On September 01 2014 02:48 Torte de Lini wrote: What does the trinket upgrade do, its the only thing I can't differentiate. Do I buy that or individual wards? . So quick explanation on trinkets. Yellow : 1 minute ward, 3 minute CD. At level 9 its a 2 minute ward. If you pay 475 gold (only available after level 9) you get a 3 minute ward or a pink ward both on a three minute CD depending on the upgrade. Now a normal ward costs 75 gold and a pink 100. A sightstone gives you 4 3 minute wards (3 max placed) on a CD of "going back to base". So the yellow trinket upgrades are only worth it if you need pink wards or green wards and you have 6 item slots used and aren't buying sightstone. Generally the yellow trinket is used for early game short term vision and the swapped for other trinkets as the game goes on Red: sweeps wards on a 3 minute CD. At level 9 its CD is reduced to 2 minutes. With 475 gold its CD is reduced again and you get true vision for 10 seconds (let's you see all stealthed enemies/objects). Generally this is something the support will upgrade early or order to control wards on objectives. But it's not a bad buy for anyone who wants to control vision in order to set up ambushes. Generally all lanes should buy a sweeper as soon as laning is over or they have gold for wards (first back) because just as powerful as vision is so is killing enemy vision and in terms of overall cooldowns/gold efficiency red>yellow Blue: blue grants vision on a shortish cd (2 or 3 minutes rank 1) at level 9 and purchase its CD is decreased and range increased. Generally the AD and or Mid will want to pick this up late game because it's the easiest way to check objectives and bushes without putting yourself in a position to be picked out of those bushes whereas placing wards can get squishes killed late game. If you're losing swap to blue trinket instead of red trinket (as mid or AD past level 9) because it will give you vision with less risk than a yellow which can prevent you from getting picked and being even further behind. It will also give you the vision to stop objectives when you can't risk warding the effected areas. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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