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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 21:44:32
August 08 2014 21:44 GMT
#1021
On August 08 2014 23:32 padfoota wrote:
Im running into a lot of alistar top laners. While they seem to go normal builds (AP super tanky), the challengers on my server go TF shiv alistar top. Someone explain >_>

TF/BotRK and TF/Shiv Ali all basically just abuse the fact that he gets 60/75/90 (!) AD and becomes super fucking tanky when his ult is on to sheen proc people to death really fast. W + sheen proc also hits really hard in lane.

Chauster did this with Ghostblade in season 1 to us in a normal game. He completely ignored us, walked at towers, ulted, ghostbladed, and autoattacked until he died. We couldn't stop him and he ended up winning the game for his team after taking 2 inhibs.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 08 2014 21:44 GMT
#1022
On August 09 2014 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rammus actually does pretty well by just pitching a tent in mid, just roll in from behind the enemy midlaner and wreck him. Jungle a bit to burn conservation stacks, and when he comes back do it again and repeat until ragequit is achieved.

Also, he benefitted a lot from the new SotAG. Pick that up and then get an IBG and you're an absolute midgame monster esp. if you've neutered their magic damage. Your ult is like Fid/ Karthus, except you're so tanky the enemy team cant actually afford to focus you.

Saying that Morg + Ali counter him is kind of dumb because with that logic Morg + Ali counter pretty much everyone

How does the new golem benefit him in the mid game?It gives less hp and no tenacity.

Morg/ali do counter almost everyone.That is why they are so popular.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 21:47:18
August 08 2014 21:46 GMT
#1023
Quill Coat actually helps him farm about as fast or even a tiny bit faster than Spirit Stone, because he scales with the 20 bonus armor it gives. I still don't think it's enough to push him into a position of a good jungler though.

'tis true that way back when jungle Rammus was good most of the winrate probably came from jungle Rammus, but nowadays (though I don't see Rammus often at all) when I do see him it's in top lane.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 08 2014 21:50 GMT
#1024
On August 09 2014 06:44 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rammus actually does pretty well by just pitching a tent in mid, just roll in from behind the enemy midlaner and wreck him. Jungle a bit to burn conservation stacks, and when he comes back do it again and repeat until ragequit is achieved.

Also, he benefitted a lot from the new SotAG. Pick that up and then get an IBG and you're an absolute midgame monster esp. if you've neutered their magic damage. Your ult is like Fid/ Karthus, except you're so tanky the enemy team cant actually afford to focus you.

Saying that Morg + Ali counter him is kind of dumb because with that logic Morg + Ali counter pretty much everyone

How does the new golem benefit him in the mid game?It gives less hp and no tenacity.

Morg/ali do counter almost everyone popular .That is why they are so popular.

Fixed that for you.
Freeeeeeedom
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#1025
I got totally rolled by a mundo who had dual pen and scaling hp/%hp/flat hp everythings. He just rushed SotAG and it literally took us 30 seconds to 1v5 him.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 22:03:42
August 08 2014 22:02 GMT
#1026
Does loss prevented stop you from losing series matches?

EDIT: Also, fuck alistar. Makes hitting things with VIktor lazer impossible. I land it perfectly, Ali headbutts dude back in me and I miss.

-.-
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
August 08 2014 22:13 GMT
#1027
just went 2-1 in ranked went w-l-w. both wins were loss prevented and loss was not a loss prevented. no lag or dcs in any either wtf.
Moar banelings less qq
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 08 2014 22:20 GMT
#1028
I think Rammus is uniquely good for SotAG because he's one of the few champions that actually wants to stack health given all the free resistances on his W.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 08 2014 22:26 GMT
#1029
On August 09 2014 06:12 Scip wrote:
Someone earlier mentioned that Rammus has an insanely high winrate, but I'm almost positive that that comes from top lane Rammus rather than jungle Rammus. As Nafta mentioned, him being soo bad at farming+Michael's Crucible making him sad sucks.

Also, at the risk of starting an undesirable discussion, can Teut or VA get at least dia3 please? This makes all the Nasus discussion taste of anticlimax.


i play way too much to track my elo like that lol, I was D3 a few day ago. now back to d5. hehehheh
I come in for the scraps
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 08 2014 22:58 GMT
#1030
So FYI,

Loss prevented doesn't prevent you from getting an X in a series.

-.-

Zzzz...

Thats dumb.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 08 2014 23:43 GMT
#1031
On August 09 2014 07:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I think Rammus is uniquely good for SotAG because he's one of the few champions that actually wants to stack health given all the free resistances on his W.



He's also one the very few champions who scale with literally anything the game has to offer. Like 100% cost efficiency on tri-force yo.
hi
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
August 08 2014 23:45 GMT
#1032
On August 09 2014 07:58 iCanada wrote:
So FYI,

Loss prevented doesn't prevent you from getting an X in a series.

-.-

Zzzz...

Thats dumb.

it did for me, I was 1-1, lost, still 1-1
then 2-1 wooh
n_n
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 08 2014 23:47 GMT
#1033
On August 09 2014 08:45 FaCE_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 07:58 iCanada wrote:
So FYI,

Loss prevented doesn't prevent you from getting an X in a series.

-.-

Zzzz...

Thats dumb.

it did for me, I was 1-1, lost, still 1-1
then 2-1 wooh

Yeah rub it in his face.Need some salt for my popcorn.

Wonder if riot will nerf morg before worlds.Like reduce q width or make using spell shield require actual skill.Would be great.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 09 2014 00:06 GMT
#1034
People like their full tanks top because tank junglers still not that hot competitively, and Alistar's ult achieves that from level 1 now. Add in mana costs buffs to make his laning better (more spam!) and now he can abuse Headbutt+Spellblade for trading (wouldn't work on everyone, for example prob wouldn't stop Renekton) and rely on his excellent base AD and HP pool (he was top 5, he's even better now that Jax and Nunu have been nerfed in that regard) to let him build Triforce first.
Sure he doesn't have Irelia burst, but still, imagine an Alistar TPing with Triforce for a dragon fight, it's fucking scary. He doesn't scale as well defensively as Maokai or Mundo because his uptime is lower (meaning Mao better defensively) and as usual with burst-oriented builds it falls off past midgame (and E doesn't bring anything to his burst), but Triforce into ionan boots + FH makes him very tanky and pretty much neutralises your AD in the midgame.

Maokai and shit like Gragas and Mundo take over late game anyway (Shyvana would prob be there, but because the full tank has to peel for his AD more than be a damage threat himself, Shyana's lack of cc/lockdown is a deterrent).

How's Rammus top played?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 00:10:52
August 09 2014 00:10 GMT
#1035
Today I learned that about 75% the time, even if you're in front of Yasuo's windwall, or to the side, it blocks Malphite q. I realize there's a brief period where its directly in front of him, but I mean after it's gone past me I'll roll the q and it'll block it anyways. Wut.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 09 2014 00:14 GMT
#1036
Rammus top is just homeguard teleport with mobo boots into being a dick.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22551 Posts
August 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#1037
On August 09 2014 09:10 zer0das wrote:
Today I learned that about 75% the time, even if you're in front of Yasuo's windwall, or to the side, it blocks Malphite q. I realize there's a brief period where its directly in front of him, but I mean after it's gone past me I'll roll the q and it'll block it anyways. Wut.

Something to do with how detection works in LoL I guess. So long as you cast windwall before the actual projectile connects you can block it?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 09 2014 00:19 GMT
#1038
On August 09 2014 09:14 nafta wrote:
Rammus top is just homeguard teleport with mobo boots into being a dick.


You mean you aren't supposed to do that as jungle Rammouse?
Steam: rook492
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 00:29:52
August 09 2014 00:20 GMT
#1039
I'm talking about after the windwall has hit its final resting place (or very close to). Like I can be in front of that with a direct path to Yasuo, and it will be blocked.

Here's two pictures of what I'm talking about:

+ Show Spoiler +

Case 1: (Windwall has passed through me, q doesn't hit him.)

[image loading]

Case 2:
[image loading]


It might have to do with where the game considers the projectile is launching from for the first case, the second case seems batshit insane to me and should never happen. And no, he's not anywhere near the wall and its at its resting point in the 2nd case.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 09 2014 00:46 GMT
#1040
http://na.lolesports.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_scale/public/WorldsInfographicLoLesports_715.jpg?itok=eDnKMXCz

I already see the #1na/#1sea/#2eu/wildcard group dream.
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