Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think?
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think? | ||
Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:17 lefty wrote: I've been reading on the Korean forums and they've been discussing the strength of positioning traditionally ADC champs on mid, (primarily trist, lucian). It seems to be the consensus that with the recent meta and item changes, traditional ap mid laners do not have as much impact as before to carry. Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think? ADs get rocked in lane by AP's and assassins | ||
Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:17 lefty wrote: I've been reading on the Korean forums and they've been discussing the strength of positioning traditionally ADC champs on mid, (primarily trist, lucian). It seems to be the consensus that with the recent meta and item changes, traditional ap mid laners do not have as much impact as before to carry. Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think? I think that you're going to have a problem putting a late scaling consistent damage champion into the middle lane unless they have a lot of hard wave clear and roam potential. Something that few AD's have. I feel like your team composition would be weak without that option and if you're chosing where your ability scaling champion should go, middle lane is the clear answer. Trist/Lucian are a bit different in that they're so strong right now (and their 1v1's are strong whereas their 2v2's are weaker) but i still don't see it as ideal. | ||
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:33 cLutZ wrote: Double ad also has late game issues due to no cc. When ez mid was popular, you basically had to get early towers or it was curtains. if you are running an AD mid could go back to pre season 1 days and run a Mage with a support. | ||
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:43 PrinceXizor wrote: if you are running an AD mid could go back to pre season 1 days and run a Mage with a support. I don't think mage+support was ever a thing. It was usually AP top, AD mid, jungle, and bot was whatever the fuck your team wanted to run, which was usually two bruisers or bruiser+support. | ||
JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
I'd say Sivir could potentially work. Clears very well and spell shield helps the survivability problem. But you'd have to run a big CC jungler/top laner (e.g. Sej, Amumu) to get the necessary CC for team fights. | ||
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:43 PrinceXizor wrote: if you are running an AD mid could go back to pre season 1 days and run a Mage with a support. That is kind of silly, considering how much better ap/spell based champions can use the solo xp | ||
ketchup
14521 Posts
On July 26 2014 16:15 Letmelose wrote: I think the comparison is flawed to begin with, if we're talking about the level of perfection done to a single art, there's simply no comparing the level of mastery that was built upon more than ten years of blood, sweat, and tears of hundreds of talented professional gamers and coaches, and the extra level that Flash managed to reach on top of that. Faker just happened to be godly at a fairly new game that was only taken seriously within the past couple of years, and still has a long way to go in terms developement. If we're talking about their accomplishments, you really have to compare SK Telecom T1 K to Flash, not Faker, since he cannot take all credit for their success no matter how big a role he played. In the end, Faker had to overcome the likes of Ryu, Ambition, and Dade to obtain his domestic dominance, and to be quite frank I'm about a hundred times more impressed with Flash defeating the likes of Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork, than I ever was with Faker managing out maneuveur Ryu for the domestic championship. As talented as Ryu was at his role, Jaedong was a god at the game, preceded by other gods such as July and YellOw. All Faker had to do to gain his legacy was outplay a couple of very good domestic mid-laners, stomp some non-Korean teams who were barely even professional (no discipline, streaming a main source of income a-la Afreeca streamers, lack of proper coaching for most), then have a single season of impeccable performance where they had to overcome their main rivals KT Rolster Bullets, and a seriously out of shape Samsung White. Impressive? Very. Reminiscent of Flash? Hell no. This is amazing. I agree with a lot of it, and I don't really understand the comparison at all. Faker is no where near any of the bw legends. | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 27 2014 09:58 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't think mage+support was ever a thing. It was usually AP top, AD mid, jungle, and bot was whatever the fuck your team wanted to run, which was usually two bruisers or bruiser+support. I remember DoubleLift Carrying hard as a bruiser player on EG in S1. In a few games he really rolled people. As Blitz and Ali mostly, but some other champs as well. I'm pretty sure his Poppy scored the first ever "pro level" Pentakill. ATleast thats how I remember it. I went on a kick of only playing poppy after that for so long. Man I'm old. On July 27 2014 11:01 ketchup wrote: This is amazing. I agree with a lot of it, and I don't really understand the comparison at all. Faker is no where near any of the bw legends. I think its fair to compare him to like Boxer. He was (is I suppose) the first great. | ||
JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
The games are too different, as well as the avenues for success. All you can really say is that they are both incredible players in their field. It's slightly presumptuous anyway, Faker hasn't stood the test of (enough) time yet. | ||
Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On July 27 2014 12:36 JazzVortical wrote: Out of interest/discussion sake, what would Faker have to accomplish to be considered Flash level? Single handedly winning OGN and World champs for the next few years carrying his team every game? The games are too different, as well as the avenues for success. All you can really say is that they are both incredible players in their field. It's slightly presumptuous anyway, Faker hasn't stood the test of (enough) time yet. Worlds and top4s in S5 Champions, winning at least one. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On July 27 2014 06:45 nafta wrote: It is an advantage actually and can win you lane.The wight was supposed to fix it but he does too much damage and pretty much only caitlyn can kill him without taking damage lol. It's still negligible compared to the faster lvl2 it used to cause. | ||
Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:02 GolemMadness wrote: In addition to his year of dominance and other tournament wins, Flash also maintained a 70% or higher win rate for 5 and a half years. League of Legends hasn't even been out that long. And his 22 game TvT streak was absolutely ridiculous. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:02 GolemMadness wrote: In addition to his year of dominance and other tournament wins, Flash also maintained a 70% or higher win rate for 5 and a half years. League of Legends hasn't even been out that long. Not to mention TBLS (Flash, Stork, Bisu and Jaedong) | ||
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 27 2014 12:36 JazzVortical wrote: Out of interest/discussion sake, what would Faker have to accomplish to be considered Flash level? Single handedly winning OGN and World champs for the next few years carrying his team every game? The games are too different, as well as the avenues for success. All you can really say is that they are both incredible players in their field. It's slightly presumptuous anyway, Faker hasn't stood the test of (enough) time yet. honestly I'll be absolutely blown away if anyone can ever mimic Flash's dominance in their game of choice, not even just talking about LoL. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:19 Ryuu314 wrote: honestly I'll be absolutely blown away if anyone can ever mimic Flash's dominance in their game of choice, not even just talking about LoL. Jaedong was really good around Flash's entire Bonjwa career too. I wouldn't call it dominance just because Jaedong was close. But the huge skill difference between pros is definitely visible in BW and it's hard to see in LoL, because LoL is a team game, that Faker is so much better than many NA players. | ||
Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:46 obesechicken13 wrote: Jaedong was really good around Flash's entire Bonjwa career too. I wouldn't call it dominance just because Jaedong was close. But the huge skill difference between pros is definitely visible in BW and it's hard to see in LoL, because LoL is a team game, that Faker is so much better than many NA players. All I have to say to this is 2010. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:46 obesechicken13 wrote: Jaedong was really good around Flash's entire Bonjwa career too. I wouldn't call it dominance just because Jaedong was close. But the huge skill difference between pros is definitely visible in BW and it's hard to see in LoL, because LoL is a team game, that Faker is so much better than many NA players. As were Stork and Bisu, and then later on there was Jangbi and a few others who were catching fire. If we want to look at how statistically unlikely that there was a player (of anything) that was dominant as Flash considering his competition, I think the only comparisons would be like Pele and Michael Jordan. | ||
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