[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 70

On July 27 2014 09:17 lefty wrote:
I've been reading on the Korean forums and they've been discussing the strength of positioning traditionally ADC champs on mid, (primarily trist, lucian). It seems to be the consensus that with the recent meta and item changes, traditional ap mid laners do not have as much impact as before to carry.

Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think?

On July 27 2014 09:17 lefty wrote:
I've been reading on the Korean forums and they've been discussing the strength of positioning traditionally ADC champs on mid, (primarily trist, lucian). It seems to be the consensus that with the recent meta and item changes, traditional ap mid laners do not have as much impact as before to carry.

Looks like voyboy picked mid today as well, although I didn't see the game, looks like he did well. What do you guys think?

On July 27 2014 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
Double ad also has late game issues due to no cc. When ez mid was popular, you basically had to get early towers or it was curtains.

On July 27 2014 09:43 PrinceXizor wrote:

if you are running an AD mid could go back to pre season 1 days and run a Mage with a support.

On July 27 2014 09:43 PrinceXizor wrote:

if you are running an AD mid could go back to pre season 1 days and run a Mage with a support.

On July 26 2014 16:15 Letmelose wrote:


I think the comparison is flawed to begin with, if we're talking about the level of perfection done to a single art, there's simply no comparing the level of mastery that was built upon more than ten years of blood, sweat, and tears of hundreds of talented professional gamers and coaches, and the extra level that Flash managed to reach on top of that. Faker just happened to be godly at a fairly new game that was only taken seriously within the past couple of years, and still has a long way to go in terms developement.

If we're talking about their accomplishments, you really have to compare SK Telecom T1 K to Flash, not Faker, since he cannot take all credit for their success no matter how big a role he played. In the end, Faker had to overcome the likes of Ryu, Ambition, and Dade to obtain his domestic dominance, and to be quite frank I'm about a hundred times more impressed with Flash defeating the likes of Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork, than I ever was with Faker managing out maneuveur Ryu for the domestic championship. As talented as Ryu was at his role, Jaedong was a god at the game, preceded by other gods such as July and YellOw. All Faker had to do to gain his legacy was outplay a couple of very good domestic mid-laners, stomp some non-Korean teams who were barely even professional (no discipline, streaming a main source of income a-la Afreeca streamers, lack of proper coaching for most), then have a single season of impeccable performance where they had to overcome their main rivals KT Rolster Bullets, and a seriously out of shape Samsung White. Impressive? Very. Reminiscent of Flash? Hell no.

On July 27 2014 09:58 Ryuu314 wrote:

I don't think mage+support was ever a thing. It was usually AP top, AD mid, jungle, and bot was whatever the fuck your team wanted to run, which was usually two bruisers or bruiser+support.

On July 27 2014 11:01 ketchup wrote:


This is amazing. I agree with a lot of it, and I don't really understand the comparison at all. Faker is no where near any of the bw legends.

On July 27 2014 06:45 nafta wrote:

It is an advantage actually and can win you lane.The wight was supposed to fix it but he does too much damage and pretty much only caitlyn can kill him without taking damage lol.

On July 27 2014 13:02 GolemMadness wrote:
In addition to his year of dominance and other tournament wins, Flash also maintained a 70% or higher win rate for 5 and a half years. League of Legends hasn't even been out that long.

On July 27 2014 12:36 JazzVortical wrote:
Out of interest/discussion sake, what would Faker have to accomplish to be considered Flash level? Single handedly winning OGN and World champs for the next few years carrying his team every game?

The games are too different, as well as the avenues for success. All you can really say is that they are both incredible players in their field. It's slightly presumptuous anyway, Faker hasn't stood the test of (enough) time yet.

On July 27 2014 13:19 Ryuu314 wrote:

honestly I'll be absolutely blown away if anyone can ever mimic Flash's dominance in their game of choice, not even just talking about LoL.

On July 27 2014 13:46 obesechicken13 wrote:

Jaedong was really good around Flash's entire Bonjwa career too. I wouldn't call it dominance just because Jaedong was close. But the huge skill difference between pros is definitely visible in BW and it's hard to see in LoL, because LoL is a team game, that Faker is so much better than many NA players.