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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 26 2014 14:41 JazzVortical wrote: Bought 3 mystery skins: Jack of Hearts Twisted Fate Freljord Ashe Gatekeeper Galio It's a shame I don't play much of these champs. I never play Ashe, I always consider learning TF and Galio, but I never have actually followed through with it. Still saved a lot of change with the Gatekeeper pick up. Might have to give him a whirl. Ashe free elo. You should do it more often. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
On July 26 2014 14:49 Sufficiency wrote: Well, this is kind of broken. Challenger players now has a 58% chance to play on purple side because Riot's new matchmaking algorithm places better players on the purple side to compensate for the blue side advantage. If they want blue, they should just suck more. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I plan to run a test to see what happens to the top (say) 10 soloQ ladder players. Maybe they play on purple 80% of the time or something. Pretty sure Riot's algorithm is bugged. I plan to blog this tomorrow. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 26 2014 15:20 Sufficiency wrote: I plan to run a test to see what happens to the top (say) 10 soloQ ladder players. Maybe they play on purple 80% of the time or something. Pretty sure Riot's algorithm is bugged. I plan to blog this tomorrow. Purple has always had the higher ELO. they probably just intensified that advantage to try to guarantee a better winrate. if thats what they did, thats a shoddy and somewhat deceptive way of "fixing" blue side advantage. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
I mean, if you wanna go DPS, its obviously not the item of choice. But even if you wanna go tanky/support I dont know if its worth it. 800 gold for 150 health.. if you get 2 ruby chrystals you are obviously better off hp-wise, which means better 2v2/3v3s. So what are the parameters that cause pRos to get a sightstone for more vision rather than real (combat) items? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Not to mention more vision is always good. Plus Lee Sin already does a decent amount of damage with just an Elder Lizard. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On July 26 2014 15:37 Ryuu314 wrote: Sightstone on Lee basically means you get 3 extra "free" flashes every time you back. Not to mention more vision is always good. Yeah well I didnt mention Lee because it's obvious that a sightone synergizes very well with his a W. I've seen people picking it up even when laning. I 'm talking about the rest of the pack. Nunu, Elise and prolly every other jungler that can be played as support (J4, Mao, mumu.............) | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On July 26 2014 14:52 Sufficiency wrote: Ashe free elo. You should do it more often. I have no idea how to play her. I don't know how anyone wins a trade with her. I know she scales decently well naturally and has hardcore initiation but laneing is so painful. Freljord is a pretty boring skin though, maybe if I got amethyst I'd play her more. Plus my go to ADC is Varus, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. If I have to ADC, I always seem to do well with him. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 26 2014 12:48 MattBarry wrote: How much longer will Faker have to remain the best LoL player in the world til we can call him the Flash of LoL I think the comparison is flawed to begin with, if we're talking about the level of perfection done to a single art, there's simply no comparing the level of mastery that was built upon more than ten years of blood, sweat, and tears of hundreds of talented professional gamers and coaches, and the extra level that Flash managed to reach on top of that. Faker just happened to be godly at a fairly new game that was only taken seriously within the past couple of years, and still has a long way to go in terms developement. If we're talking about their accomplishments, you really have to compare SK Telecom T1 K to Flash, not Faker, since he cannot take all credit for their success no matter how big a role he played. In the end, Faker had to overcome the likes of Ryu, Ambition, and Dade to obtain his domestic dominance, and to be quite frank I'm about a hundred times more impressed with Flash defeating the likes of Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork, than I ever was with Faker managing out maneuveur Ryu for the domestic championship. As talented as Ryu was at his role, Jaedong was a god at the game, preceded by other gods such as July and YellOw. All Faker had to do to gain his legacy was outplay a couple of very good domestic mid-laners, stomp some non-Korean teams who were barely even professional (no discipline, streaming a main source of income a-la Afreeca streamers, lack of proper coaching for most), then have a single season of impeccable performance where they had to overcome their main rivals KT Rolster Bullets, and a seriously out of shape Samsung White. Impressive? Very. Reminiscent of Flash? Hell no. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 26 2014 15:40 Djin)ftw( wrote: Yeah well I didnt mention Lee because it's obvious that a sightone synergizes very well with his a W. I've seen people picking it up even when laning. I 'm talking about the rest of the pack. Nunu, Elise and prolly every other jungler that can be played as support (J4, Mao, mumu.............) Well I honestly don't see Elise picking it up that much early. Nunu, however, is literally all about vision control and helping your team. That's the only reason you'd ever pick him up. No clue about the others tho. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 26 2014 15:33 PrinceXizor wrote: Purple has always had the higher ELO. they probably just intensified that advantage to try to guarantee a better winrate. if thats what they did, thats a shoddy and somewhat deceptive way of "fixing" blue side advantage. I doubt it. People always say that, but until these two months I have not seen anyone quoting any Rioter saying purple side has higher Elo. Also they did not "intensify" it. By your logic, then Challenger players probably had (say) 54% chance to play on purple, then they decided to "intensify" it to 58%. That's not what was happened. Challenger players used to play on purple 50% of the time, now it's 58%. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 26 2014 16:06 JazzVortical wrote: I have no idea how to play her. I don't know how anyone wins a trade with her. I know she scales decently well naturally and has hardcore initiation but laneing is so painful. Freljord is a pretty boring skin though, maybe if I got amethyst I'd play her more. Plus my go to ADC is Varus, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. If I have to ADC, I always seem to do well with him. Uh Ashe is really good and people grossly underestimate her. I underestimate her myself sometimes even though I play her quite often. Her R by itself makes her worthwhile - in soloQ initiation spells are really good, and Ashe is one of the few ADCs who can initiate. Yes her laning phase is close to garbage. That's a trade off. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 26 2014 16:45 miicah wrote: E max vs AD teemo sucks. Yeah, doesn't work as well since AD Teemo rushes lifesteal. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On July 26 2014 16:23 Ryuu314 wrote: Well I honestly don't see Elise picking it up that much early. Nunu, however, is literally all about vision control and helping your team. That's the only reason you'd ever pick him up. No clue about the others tho. Elise doesn't really get it in lomoQ but in competitive play her role is basically high damage early jungler into utility 2 second stun bot so she might as well get sightstone. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On July 26 2014 16:50 Sufficiency wrote: Uh Ashe is really good and people grossly underestimate her. I underestimate her myself sometimes even though I play her quite often. Her R by itself makes her worthwhile - in soloQ initiation spells are really good, and Ashe is one of the few ADCs who can initiate. Yes her laning phase is close to garbage. That's a trade off. Pros - super spammable aoe slow, built in auto attack slow modifier, long range aoe stun+slow. Cons - Poor AD scaling, terrible wave clear spell, lack of innate auto attack damage modifiers (no magic/% hp/true, no AS), lack of escape spell, low range. I dunno man. IBG ezreal takes all the kiting and slow spam away from her already, and varus has the better wave clear, damage modifiers and decent ranged initator too. Ashe isnt completely terrible, its just she cannot carry as well nor kite as well as certain champs, shes terrible in lane and works as a semi-support-dpser in teamfights. Very, very weird champ that doesnt fit properly into any category You want to carry? Trist/Kog/Draven Kite? Lucian/Ezreal Poke? Corki/Ezreal Spam slow? IBG Ezreal Cone shaped damage? Graves Initiate with ulti? Varus Counter Initiate with ulti? Sivir. Wave clear? Too many. Caitlyn fits into a bunch of them.. I always wished they would change her Q so that it gave magic damage per auto attack that scaled from AD or something | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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