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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
July 25 2014 19:57 GMT
#1261
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 25 2014 19:59 GMT
#1262
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

Faker's so good it actually hurts his team, that's a first.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 25 2014 20:05 GMT
#1263
On July 26 2014 04:59 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

Faker's so good it actually hurts his team, that's a first.

S3 EG
Glorious SEA doto
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 25 2014 20:06 GMT
#1264
On July 26 2014 04:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:28 Figgy wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:12 krndandaman wrote:
On July 26 2014 03:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
proxy farm

take objectives

pick one

you cant be proxy farming and helping your team at the same time. he proxy farmed and then realized i could just tank waves so it did nothing then he would roam. allowing me to simply push down the entire top in one go due to triforce and obscene q stacks i could 3 shot towers basically


yes you can.
proxy farm then go join up with team at mid or dragon. by the time the wave pushes so that enemy top laner can hit your tower, you should be able to back and TP to defend easily. its what I do every time as singed vs nasus.


on another note, has anyone seen this video?


fucking god gragas mechanics


Everytime I see a video of Faker I'm extremely impressed. The guy is a god.

What's scary isn't that he does these plays, it's the consistency he pulls this shit off. A lot of pro players have plays like this, but Faker does it on a regular basis in solo queue and pro play. It's fucking ridiculous.

And he does this with seemingly the broadest champion pool in the world. idgi
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 25 2014 20:06 GMT
#1265
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

But....

That is basically not true, and they basically lose because they lose 2 lanes plus the jungle every game unless piglet gets twitch.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
July 25 2014 20:32 GMT
#1266
On July 26 2014 05:06 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

But....

That is basically not true, and they basically lose because they lose 2 lanes plus the jungle every game unless piglet gets twitch.

Why do you think they lose those lanes?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 22:44:31
July 25 2014 20:35 GMT
#1267
That was not my interpretation at all

Came across more as the difference between Faker and the next tier was a lot greater in a meta where mid was able to carry harder influence d their playable and they haven't adapted to new meta / mids only somewhat worse than Faker
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 25 2014 21:37 GMT
#1268
On July 26 2014 05:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 05:06 cLutZ wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

But....

That is basically not true, and they basically lose because they lose 2 lanes plus the jungle every game unless piglet gets twitch.

Why do you think they lose those lanes?


Well, they don't always, they just lose them against the Elite teams (most recently SS Blue/White, before that KT Arrows). That, IMO is because Impact/Piglet/Pooh are solid B-Tier laners right now (with the exception of Piglet on Twitch), and so they lose to the A-Tier laners, or they sometimes lose against B-Tier laners with A-Tier Junglers because Bengi is also a solidly B-Tier player. In those 3 series I indicated Bengi did not focus Faker's lane (in fact, Faker often gets focused, but most teams actually don't do that anymore because he is very hard to gank). Also, of course, most of those elite teams have players who are good enough and smart enough to not die to Faker 1v1 on the current safe midlane champions.

My main criticism with Faker would be his Ziggs play which is not really that great IMO, and Ziggs is the current midlaner that lets you influence the sidelanes the most (did anyone notice how they did decently in Game 1 with the free Zilean EXP?).
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 25 2014 21:54 GMT
#1269
tl;dr sktk are the new cj blaze
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 21:55:57
July 25 2014 21:55 GMT
#1270
The difference between SKT K and blaze is that blaze had two legit teams in KTA and JAS while SKT K had two IMs
Glorious SEA doto
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
July 25 2014 21:57 GMT
#1271
On July 26 2014 05:06 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:28 Figgy wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:12 krndandaman wrote:
On July 26 2014 03:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
proxy farm

take objectives

pick one

you cant be proxy farming and helping your team at the same time. he proxy farmed and then realized i could just tank waves so it did nothing then he would roam. allowing me to simply push down the entire top in one go due to triforce and obscene q stacks i could 3 shot towers basically


yes you can.
proxy farm then go join up with team at mid or dragon. by the time the wave pushes so that enemy top laner can hit your tower, you should be able to back and TP to defend easily. its what I do every time as singed vs nasus.


on another note, has anyone seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVBP8I9pBk

fucking god gragas mechanics


Everytime I see a video of Faker I'm extremely impressed. The guy is a god.

What's scary isn't that he does these plays, it's the consistency he pulls this shit off. A lot of pro players have plays like this, but Faker does it on a regular basis in solo queue and pro play. It's fucking ridiculous.

And he does this with seemingly the broadest champion pool in the world. idgi

And he does it pretty much every single solo q game... even multiple times in one game.

He's just... I don't know. Words don't do him justice. I guess he's best described as jaw dropping.
I love crazymoving
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 25 2014 22:01 GMT
#1272
On July 26 2014 06:37 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 05:32 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 05:06 cLutZ wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

But....

That is basically not true, and they basically lose because they lose 2 lanes plus the jungle every game unless piglet gets twitch.

Why do you think they lose those lanes?


Well, they don't always, they just lose them against the Elite teams (most recently SS Blue/White, before that KT Arrows). That, IMO is because Impact/Piglet/Pooh are solid B-Tier laners right now (with the exception of Piglet on Twitch), and so they lose to the A-Tier laners, or they sometimes lose against B-Tier laners with A-Tier Junglers because Bengi is also a solidly B-Tier player. In those 3 series I indicated Bengi did not focus Faker's lane (in fact, Faker often gets focused, but most teams actually don't do that anymore because he is very hard to gank). Also, of course, most of those elite teams have players who are good enough and smart enough to not die to Faker 1v1 on the current safe midlane champions.

My main criticism with Faker would be his Ziggs play which is not really that great IMO, and Ziggs is the current midlaner that lets you influence the sidelanes the most (did anyone notice how they did decently in Game 1 with the free Zilean EXP?).

so what you're saying is...SKT K is the TSM of Korea.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 25 2014 22:03 GMT
#1273
On July 26 2014 07:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 06:37 cLutZ wrote:
On July 26 2014 05:32 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 05:06 cLutZ wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:57 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:40 Nos- wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:36 Nos- wrote:
Faker stuck in ogn elo hell

The more I watch of Faker, the more I'm starting to agree with Flame.

oh shit I haven't watched the interview yet, what'd flame say?

+ Show Spoiler +
He said that he thinks SKTK is hurt by the fact that Faker is so much better in his lane than anybody else. Bengi is tunnel visioned on getting Faker snowballing while the meta shifts aren't in Bengi's favor and Pooh's drop off become even bigger weaknesses by poor jungle support. At least, that's what I remember him saying.

But....

That is basically not true, and they basically lose because they lose 2 lanes plus the jungle every game unless piglet gets twitch.

Why do you think they lose those lanes?


Well, they don't always, they just lose them against the Elite teams (most recently SS Blue/White, before that KT Arrows). That, IMO is because Impact/Piglet/Pooh are solid B-Tier laners right now (with the exception of Piglet on Twitch), and so they lose to the A-Tier laners, or they sometimes lose against B-Tier laners with A-Tier Junglers because Bengi is also a solidly B-Tier player. In those 3 series I indicated Bengi did not focus Faker's lane (in fact, Faker often gets focused, but most teams actually don't do that anymore because he is very hard to gank). Also, of course, most of those elite teams have players who are good enough and smart enough to not die to Faker 1v1 on the current safe midlane champions.

My main criticism with Faker would be his Ziggs play which is not really that great IMO, and Ziggs is the current midlaner that lets you influence the sidelanes the most (did anyone notice how they did decently in Game 1 with the free Zilean EXP?).

so what you're saying is...SKT K is the TSM of Korea.


Maybe if Bjerg was better than other mid laners in NA.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 25 2014 22:06 GMT
#1274
The most apt comparison for SKT K would be current millenium imo.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 22:33:48
July 25 2014 22:33 GMT
#1275
On July 26 2014 05:06 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 04:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:28 Figgy wrote:
On July 26 2014 04:12 krndandaman wrote:
On July 26 2014 03:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
proxy farm

take objectives

pick one

you cant be proxy farming and helping your team at the same time. he proxy farmed and then realized i could just tank waves so it did nothing then he would roam. allowing me to simply push down the entire top in one go due to triforce and obscene q stacks i could 3 shot towers basically


yes you can.
proxy farm then go join up with team at mid or dragon. by the time the wave pushes so that enemy top laner can hit your tower, you should be able to back and TP to defend easily. its what I do every time as singed vs nasus.


on another note, has anyone seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVBP8I9pBk

fucking god gragas mechanics


Everytime I see a video of Faker I'm extremely impressed. The guy is a god.

What's scary isn't that he does these plays, it's the consistency he pulls this shit off. A lot of pro players have plays like this, but Faker does it on a regular basis in solo queue and pro play. It's fucking ridiculous.

And he does this with seemingly the broadest champion pool in the world. idgi

I would say a OGN season and half ago, Faker was down right the best at all champion types, and play styles. Just a plain god.
Now there are a few midlaners that play their pocket picks as good or slightly better than Faker.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 25 2014 22:46 GMT
#1276
Like if Faker was s tier in OGN summer the 2nd best mid was b by comparison. Now there are a handful of a and pawn might be a+
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 22:54:05
July 25 2014 22:50 GMT
#1277
In summer faker was S tier, ryu was A tier then the rest were B or below. Winter is when no one was close.
Atm deft is the only player in any position in Korea I consider S, the rest of samsung, faker and kakao are A+ then the rest whatever.
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 25 2014 23:07 GMT
#1278
Like in his debut season the 2nd best mid was either Ryu or Ambition neither of whom are on the same tier as coco, Dade, Pawn, rookie, going etc.

They didn't get that much worse it was s vs b tier
Carrilord has arrived.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 23:31:06
July 25 2014 23:29 GMT
#1279
Well in the debut season, Ozone beat SKT by conceding free farm to faker and shit on the other lanes. Faker couldn't carry hard enough to get SKT to the finals. The highlight vids of his leblanc, ahri and jayce(in ogn) largely come from this time.

I still remember him roaming bot, and like 15s after last seeing somebody, sniping them with a blind EQ on jayce.

At that time he was playing EVERY champion at top 2 world status. It was absolutely unreal.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 25 2014 23:36 GMT
#1280
Pretty sure we're all in consensus that Faker didn't get worse, others got better
Bronze player stuck in platinum
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