EPT[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 65
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 26 2014 07:01 Ryuu314 wrote: so what you're saying is...SKT K is the TSM of Korea. It depends. There really is no player that compares to Faker when it comes to mid champion pool. (or any champ pool in general). I'd actually say they are a lot like Dignitas in that IMO Shiphtur is clearly their best player, and he always performs pretty well. Dig performs well when the non-Shiphtur players put it together and carry. Plus Kiwikid and Crumbzz do the same "Dora the Explora" and "Way too Ham" plays that Pooh and Bengi are want to do respectively. That said, I haven't seen that much EU or NA LCS this season because of new job + moving. I pretty much only watch C9 games vs. CLG/LMQ/TSM and Alliance vs. Fnatic. http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/115749-ranged-champions-take-more-skill-than-melee-ones By the way: Ghostcrawler on Melee v. Ranged ^^. Seems to me that the inherent problem is that there arent enough melee champions with vlad passives so they can actually have a traditional weak early-strong late power curve while not being oppressive early (like ranged often are) or midgame like renekton or shyvana can be when strong early. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 26 2014 08:41 zodde wrote: Does anyone know where i can find a list of every champion faker has played in competative games? Leblanc jayce zed yasuo lulu syndra riven orianna karthus ahri kassadin ezreal gragas nidalee khazix Kayle fizz diana tf xerath ziggs zilean. Might be a few more that I missed, but that's what I remember. The scariest part is that faker was probably top3 world on most of these picks. | ||
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 26 2014 10:27 MindBreaker wrote: Wierd question what do you guys think about naut top? Ive been trying it the last couple of days and he is a suprisingly strong lane bully personally I think lane naut and lane maokai are both underrated. I'm not sure if they're competitive viable, but it's a lot stronger than it gets credit for. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On July 26 2014 10:41 Ryuu314 wrote: personally I think lane naut and lane maokai are both underrated. I'm not sure if they're competitive viable, but it's a lot stronger than it gets credit for. lane mao used to be pretty strong but i have no idea whether his recent changes have made it stronger or not | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On July 26 2014 10:47 wussleeQ wrote: lane mao used to be pretty strong but i have no idea whether his recent changes have made it stronger or not Top lane Mao was picked in Eu by Xaxus in Roccat vs Gambit. + Show Spoiler + He was outfarmed early by Mundo, but finished the game strongly in the teamfights.Burnt an early Mundo flash but no further ganks came. Surprising, considering Mao has some of the best gank support in the game. Roccat played better overall, but the Mao picked worked well. Would need to see more of it before you could judge it, but it wasn't bad overall. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
Biggest issue I've had with her is she cannot stop a TP. :-/ | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 26 2014 13:00 Jek wrote: What do you guys pick against a Gragas in toplane? Personally I have a hard time finding any champions that are truely "good" against him, in so far I've had the most succees with Nidalee (3 games experience as of now), the thought being her sustain alongside strong earlygame trades and free wave clear to not just be outpushed. Biggest issue I've had with her is she cannot stop a TP. :-/ if he's tping in you should take his tower pretty much if yours is down or tp down behind him and follow if your lanes are gonna need the help | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 26 2014 12:48 MattBarry wrote: How much longer will Faker have to remain the best LoL player in the world til we can call him the Flash of LoL IMO he is Boxer, aka the first "best" player. There really isn't a player like Flash that started playing LOL when he was 10-12, and can truly "see the matrix" of the game. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 26 2014 13:13 cLutZ wrote: IMO he is Boxer, aka the first "best" player. There really isn't a player like Flash that started playing LOL when he was 10-12, and can truly "see the matrix" of the game. I think faker is the limit of the game in its current incarnation. without new cast members or a lot of changes, i can't see someone exceeding what faker does. there just isn't enough to take advantage of that faker isn't already doing. i mean there are maybe things to do with 5 fakers he can't do alone. but chain cc is out, diving is already done near perfectly, and individual play is what faker shines at. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 26 2014 13:14 PrinceXizor wrote: I think faker is the limit of the game in its current incarnation. without new cast members or a lot of changes, i can't see someone exceeding what faker does. there just isn't enough to take advantage of that faker isn't already doing. i mean there are maybe things to do with 5 fakers he can't do alone. but chain cc is out, diving is already done near perfectly, and individual play is what faker shines at. While I agree LoL isnt as deep as Broodwar at one time no one was ever "going to be better" than oov, nada, savior etc etc but it still happened | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 26 2014 13:30 arb wrote: While I agree LoL isnt as deep as Broodwar at one time no one was ever "going to be better" than oov, nada, savior etc etc but it still happened Yeah, but we've had a decade in the genre with dota while BW was the first big professional game with that kind of depth of its kind, and much of what is at the highest levels of dota that separates the best from the extremely good doesn't exist in lol. all i can see that faker is missing is having a team play at his level with him. there may be minor strategy improvements, but in terms of execution and personal skill. until the game changes some, or newer more deep champions are released. faker is the ceiling for now i think. I mean i don't know what he's thinking, so maybe he could improve his timing of cooldowns, and perfect his ranging with minion aggro or autos. but i don't know for certain if he's even lacking in those areas, i haven't talked with him obviously. There are certainly plenty of team strategy related improvements to be made in lol, but like i said, its hard to see any individual play improvements over faker unless more depth is added. at least there are no apparent improvements to be made. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On July 26 2014 13:11 arb wrote: if he's tping in you should take his tower pretty much if yours is down or tp down behind him and follow if your lanes are gonna need the help But the issue is the Gragas/TP assistance/gank has usually done it's damage the instant he arrives - split with ult and burst someone leaving us in an unfavoritable situation as his TP has led to either dragon and/or tower. The drink->teleport also means I'll do very little damage to him while he's channeling. Have anyone had succes with a toplaner who can cancel TP against him? Overall Nidalee has felt like she can survive alright and force him into building quite tanky meaning we're on par in the lategame (IMO Nidalee doesn't really fall off once she finish her second offensive item, Void Staff is the best IMO for the assassination on squishies). I'm open for anything, totally at a loss about what to do and pick against him. I mean with Nidalee I can survive and go even in lane. But he just offers so much more on the TPs which I cannot stop. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 26 2014 07:06 Fusilero wrote: The most apt comparison for SKT K would be current millenium imo. I think Creaton is better than you're giving him credit for. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Jack of Hearts Twisted Fate Freljord Ashe Gatekeeper Galio It's a shame I don't play much of these champs. I never play Ashe, I always consider learning TF and Galio, but I never have actually followed through with it. Still saved a lot of change with the Gatekeeper pick up. Might have to give him a whirl. | ||
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