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On July 23 2014 16:45 JazzVortical wrote:
I'm not an expert, but isn't there a point where if Nasus is able to get enough items and stacks (and I'm not talking super late game), he just bonecrushes Teemo in the space of one Wither?
Its not a popular opinion but it is my experience that AP Teemo has one of the most complicated and challenging early games of all champions. There is a reason the Fullon Morning and The Rain Man often go for an AD bruiser build. Against Riven, Renekton, Gragas, Nidalee or most any top laner going even 1v1 means you are a god. Tryndamere is basically the only favorable matchup common to top lane where being 50 range units out of position isnt certain death followed by snowball. Teemo's early game is also longer than most since his level 6 is incredibly weak until you have had the time and resources to develop a minefield.
Your best bet is to get a camped lane until level 7 or so at which point you just grow the lane and objectives into death traps. Having to convincing your jungler that teemo is worth the effort is why I think most people give up on teemo lol.
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On July 23 2014 15:58 GolemMadness wrote:
Nasus beats AP Teemo though.
wat
Renekton is better than Teemo for Nasus. The only lanes Nasus doesn't get shit on are stuff like Malphite/Shen/yorick.
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I played quite a lot of AP teemo in diamond 1 before the last shroom nerf (see my posts in the Teemo thread) it was clearly viable. Now it isn't there's just nothing else to say, he is without a doubt one of the bottom 10 champs in the game.
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On July 23 2014 15:15 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 13:46 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash. I saw a nasus get counterpicked by a lucian, it was brutal
Lucian shits on Nasus in general with free cleanse and since the change it is even dumber.
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On July 23 2014 17:09 Velocirapture wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 16:45 JazzVortical wrote:
I'm not an expert, but isn't there a point where if Nasus is able to get enough items and stacks (and I'm not talking super late game), he just bonecrushes Teemo in the space of one Wither? Its not a popular opinion but it is my experience that AP Teemo has one of the most complicated and challenging early games of all champions. There is a reason the Fullon Morning and The Rain Man often go for an AD bruiser build. Against Riven, Renekton, Gragas, Nidalee or most any top laner going even 1v1 means you are a god. Tryndamere is basically the only favorable matchup common to top lane where being 50 range units out of position isnt certain death followed by snowball. Teemo's early game is also longer than most since his level 6 is incredibly weak until you have had the time and resources to develop a minefield. Your best bet is to get a camped lane until level 7 or so at which point you just grow the lane and objectives into death traps. Having to convincing your jungler that teemo is worth the effort is why I think most people give up on teemo lol.
you dont do anything late game but if you know how to kite and set up a shroom or two in a designated kiting area you can win almost any top lane.
some are harder than others butall of them are like definitely winnable
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Nasus vs AP Teemo you just max E first and rush chalice. Obviously you lose early, but once you have chalice you can start pushing him out of lane.
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On July 23 2014 17:59 GolemMadness wrote:
Nasus vs AP Teemo you just max E first and rush chalice. Obviously you lose early, but once you have chalice you can start pushing him out of lane.
except then you have chalice and maxed E
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Technically E max is the highest dps for Nasus going into midgame, because you're looking at "how many more stacks would the damage/cd improvements on Q max provide comparatively" versus % damage increase at a point where your targets don't have that much armour. I'd have to search a bit to find the math I did though.
Also E has really high base damage (better than pre-change Morg W unless low MR target), so as long are you aren't looking to Qing Teemo twice instead of once in terms of engagement length, if you can reach him you should do more damage.
Obviously once you get into teamfights or compared to a match-up where you'd be able to free farm and leverage that lower Q cooldown, it's a different beast (also there's the chalice point), but in that kind of situation E max is better damage-wise at that point (also if you have to group early or something it provides better utility for your team as you won't have that many stacks to put your Q to good use anyway).
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On July 23 2014 18:54 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:59 GolemMadness wrote:
Nasus vs AP Teemo you just max E first and rush chalice. Obviously you lose early, but once you have chalice you can start pushing him out of lane. except then you have chalice and maxed E
And they have an under farmed Teemo. He can't split push against you, you're more useful in team fights and you scale better. Chalice still provides decent MR for Nasus.
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On July 23 2014 13:46 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash.
Have you tried Gragas? Had some trouble dealing with him as top Lucian but that could just be me being terrible.
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On July 23 2014 20:11 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 18:54 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 23 2014 17:59 GolemMadness wrote:
Nasus vs AP Teemo you just max E first and rush chalice. Obviously you lose early, but once you have chalice you can start pushing him out of lane. except then you have chalice and maxed E And they have an under farmed Teemo. He can't split push against you, you're more useful in team fights and you scale better. Chalice still provides decent MR for Nasus.
i dont think e max or not youre not gonna get close enough to the creeps to do anything against a decent teemo
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nah its true I play a lot of nasus, you need a dedicated teemo page just to not lose lane badly to a good nasus. (hybrid pens, etc)
teemo just isnt what he used to be and defensive laners are more strongly favored then before. he doesnt have the dps like lucian to make life impossible. just wait for creeps to come to tower then last hit its that simple. eventually you will have cowl and then its gg since cowl counters the shit out of teemo so hard
and i dont even bother maxing E, I just go for Q anyway.
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Btw shouldnt the titel be changed? From what I've seen the "nerf" to Lucian was more a buff lol
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On July 23 2014 23:06 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Btw shouldnt the titel be changed? From what I've seen the "nerf" to Lucian was more a buff lol
We struck him down and he became more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
Lucian is dead. Long live Lucian.
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On July 23 2014 23:06 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Btw shouldnt the titel be changed? From what I've seen the "nerf" to Lucian was more a buff lol
Nah the range nerf made him completely unplayable and no ones going to touch him again.
He was gutted/olafed/lucian'd
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Aka: Lucian survived because Riot can't do math.
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I still say bot lane Lucian gets destroyed if your opponents are decent. To easy to punish him.
Outside of Bot or against bad opponents he works tho
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I also haven't seen a Cait in a really long time, and less of her probably makes him a lot happier. What happened to Cait anyways?
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On July 24 2014 00:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
I also haven't seen a Cait in a really long time, and less of her probably makes him a lot happier. What happened to Cait anyways?
Nothing happened.
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