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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
July 23 2014 00:52 GMT
#941
Alaric I'm going to listen to what scip said and call you out on this; I've reported you multiple times for thinly veiled QQ, no one in here wants to listen to you describe in detail every single solo Q game you play where something goes wrong. It belongs in shikyo and you fucking know it. Stop whining about how your ADC missed some autos, or you had lag or how FH is shit.
@miicah88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 01:08:35
July 23 2014 01:08 GMT
#942
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't know who came up with the two damage items Jax/Irelia builds, but I think it sucks. People should go back to only Triforce and build tanky afterwards.

Irelia you can definitely get away with only Trifrorce, but BotRK is almost too good not to get on Jax.


So my understanding of the BotRK is that Jax wants to splitpush, so BotRK gives him a lot of dueling power and allows him to easily 1v1 anyone.

But people needs to understand (especially in soloQ) that it offers no survivability beside a bit of heal from the active and the life steal (which is really not too much, by the way). If you want to splitpush 24/7, sure, I can sort of see it, but if you into a 5v5 teamfight, that BotRK does very little good for you.

Also, even in a 1v1 situation I am not entirely convinced that BotRK is worth it. Jax will most likely win a straight up 1v1 duel against most champion anyway with just triforce.


If you get into a teamfight 4v4/5v5 Jax is going to do little good.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 09:04 nafta wrote:
Why pick jax if you want to teamfight though?That doesn't really make any sense.He is good only vs some teamcomps but overall it is much more effective to just split endlessly.The situations in which you can't are very very very rare.


This. Go watch an OGN/LCS teamfight. Count the #of autoattacks that the melee champions get off. Preferably split it into two parts: During "teamfighting" and during "cleanup". Most get off 1-3 autos during the "fight", Jax's teamfight value is really as a cleanup guy, because he doesn't do much damage in them.


I didn't know soloQ games are comparable to OGN/LCS.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 23 2014 01:12 GMT
#943
They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps.

But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to?
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 23 2014 01:22 GMT
#944
On July 23 2014 09:52 miicah wrote:
Alaric I'm going to listen to what scip said and call you out on this; I've reported you multiple times for thinly veiled QQ, no one in here wants to listen to you describe in detail every single solo Q game you play where something goes wrong. It belongs in shikyo and you fucking know it. Stop whining about how your ADC missed some autos, or you had lag or how FH is shit.


This has been happening for quite a while now. I think the Shikyo thread needs to be renamed.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 23 2014 01:51 GMT
#945
On July 23 2014 09:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't know who came up with the two damage items Jax/Irelia builds, but I think it sucks. People should go back to only Triforce and build tanky afterwards.

Irelia you can definitely get away with only Trifrorce, but BotRK is almost too good not to get on Jax.


So my understanding of the BotRK is that Jax wants to splitpush, so BotRK gives him a lot of dueling power and allows him to easily 1v1 anyone.

But people needs to understand (especially in soloQ) that it offers no survivability beside a bit of heal from the active and the life steal (which is really not too much, by the way). If you want to splitpush 24/7, sure, I can sort of see it, but if you into a 5v5 teamfight, that BotRK does very little good for you.

Also, even in a 1v1 situation I am not entirely convinced that BotRK is worth it. Jax will most likely win a straight up 1v1 duel against most champion anyway with just triforce.


If you get into a teamfight 4v4/5v5 Jax is going to do little good.

On July 23 2014 09:04 nafta wrote:
Why pick jax if you want to teamfight though?That doesn't really make any sense.He is good only vs some teamcomps but overall it is much more effective to just split endlessly.The situations in which you can't are very very very rare.


This. Go watch an OGN/LCS teamfight. Count the #of autoattacks that the melee champions get off. Preferably split it into two parts: During "teamfighting" and during "cleanup". Most get off 1-3 autos during the "fight", Jax's teamfight value is really as a cleanup guy, because he doesn't do much damage in them. [/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that jax built BORTK more because its buildup and strength in lane. Its kind of hard to build tri in lane.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
July 23 2014 02:02 GMT
#946
Isn't the the whole point for jax to tp into a fight and clean up isolated targets when there is not a lot of burst/ ults left to stop him.
Moar banelings less qq
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 02:10:19
July 23 2014 02:06 GMT
#947
Are you quoting me? Both actually build fairly nicely IMO. But I wasn't commenting much on that, just on jaxs teamfight.

On July 23 2014 11:02 IamPryda wrote:
Isn't the the whole point for jax to tp into a fight and clean up isolated targets when there is not a lot of burst/ ults left to stop him.


That is what he is best at in "teamfights", but really his strength is taking objectives while the rest of the team delays. For teamfighting, if you can TP in late then clean up, your team is doing pretty good without you.
Freeeeeeedom
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 02:32:01
July 23 2014 02:31 GMT
#948
On July 23 2014 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps.

But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to?

what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 23 2014 02:54 GMT
#949
If anybody sees me on league this week, tell me to get off please.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 23 2014 03:43 GMT
#950
it's funny gleeb says he has bad mechanics when he actually has very good mechanics but probably just couldn't adjust to stage pressure.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 04:17:18
July 23 2014 04:17 GMT
#951
On July 23 2014 12:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
it's funny gleeb says he has bad mechanics when he actually has very good mechanics but probably just couldn't adjust to stage pressure.

with how widespread the definition of mechanics is in league he could mean anything by that and its just interpreted differently by everyone.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 23 2014 04:21 GMT
#952
On July 23 2014 11:31 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps.

But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to?

what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win


Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 04:41:59
July 23 2014 04:41 GMT
#953
On July 23 2014 13:21 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:31 kongoline wrote:
On July 23 2014 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps.

But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to?

what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win


Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%?

no he had ~51% before the nerfs
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 23 2014 04:43 GMT
#954
On July 23 2014 13:21 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:31 kongoline wrote:
On July 23 2014 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps.

But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to?

what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win


Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%?

Not nearly that low, but even with high ban rate it's not been great. The perception that he is some op champ is a classic lol cognitive dissonance/bias with regard to late game champions where players are like "I was 50 cs ahead and he solo killed me." Or other things like that.

In reality, jax has a surprisingly low solo queue win rate because split pushers like singed and trynd often have surprisingly high win rates. Also it probably has to do with the difference in how powerful tp is for cooperative play vs. Disorganized. So really never that great, even though jax is a great hero.
Freeeeeeedom
XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
July 23 2014 04:46 GMT
#955
Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
July 23 2014 06:15 GMT
#956
On July 23 2014 13:46 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash.

I saw a nasus get counterpicked by a lucian, it was brutal
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 23 2014 06:55 GMT
#957
On July 23 2014 15:15 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 13:46 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash.

I saw a nasus get counterpicked by a lucian, it was brutal

Nasus gets counterpicked by everything these days
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 23 2014 06:58 GMT
#958
Nasus beats AP Teemo though.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 23 2014 07:33 GMT
#959
I...doubt that.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 23 2014 07:45 GMT
#960
I'm not an expert, but isn't there a point where if Nasus is able to get enough items and stacks (and I'm not talking super late game), he just bonecrushes Teemo in the space of one Wither?
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