EPT[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 48
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
If you get into a teamfight 4v4/5v5 Jax is going to do little good. This. Go watch an OGN/LCS teamfight. Count the #of autoattacks that the melee champions get off. Preferably split it into two parts: During "teamfighting" and during "cleanup". Most get off 1-3 autos during the "fight", Jax's teamfight value is really as a cleanup guy, because he doesn't do much damage in them. I didn't know soloQ games are comparable to OGN/LCS. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 23 2014 09:52 miicah wrote: Alaric I'm going to listen to what scip said and call you out on this; I've reported you multiple times for thinly veiled QQ, no one in here wants to listen to you describe in detail every single solo Q game you play where something goes wrong. It belongs in shikyo and you fucking know it. Stop whining about how your ADC missed some autos, or you had lag or how FH is shit. This has been happening for quite a while now. I think the Shikyo thread needs to be renamed. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On July 23 2014 09:28 cLutZ wrote: So my understanding of the BotRK is that Jax wants to splitpush, so BotRK gives him a lot of dueling power and allows him to easily 1v1 anyone. But people needs to understand (especially in soloQ) that it offers no survivability beside a bit of heal from the active and the life steal (which is really not too much, by the way). If you want to splitpush 24/7, sure, I can sort of see it, but if you into a 5v5 teamfight, that BotRK does very little good for you. Also, even in a 1v1 situation I am not entirely convinced that BotRK is worth it. Jax will most likely win a straight up 1v1 duel against most champion anyway with just triforce. If you get into a teamfight 4v4/5v5 Jax is going to do little good. On July 23 2014 09:04 nafta wrote: Why pick jax if you want to teamfight though?That doesn't really make any sense.He is good only vs some teamcomps but overall it is much more effective to just split endlessly.The situations in which you can't are very very very rare. This. Go watch an OGN/LCS teamfight. Count the #of autoattacks that the melee champions get off. Preferably split it into two parts: During "teamfighting" and during "cleanup". Most get off 1-3 autos during the "fight", Jax's teamfight value is really as a cleanup guy, because he doesn't do much damage in them. [/QUOTE] I was under the impression that jax built BORTK more because its buildup and strength in lane. Its kind of hard to build tri in lane. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On July 23 2014 11:02 IamPryda wrote: Isn't the the whole point for jax to tp into a fight and clean up isolated targets when there is not a lot of burst/ ults left to stop him. That is what he is best at in "teamfights", but really his strength is taking objectives while the rest of the team delays. For teamfighting, if you can TP in late then clean up, your team is doing pretty good without you. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On July 23 2014 10:12 cLutZ wrote: They aren't in all respects. Indeed, even when Jax was OP for competitive he wasn't for soloQ because his pressure wasn't as easy to take advantage of and his weak levels were not hidden by early laneswaps. But the lack of meaningful autoattack damage for melee champions translates fairly well. Perhaps you just look at your own replays if you want to? what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win | ||
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 23 2014 12:43 zulu_nation8 wrote: it's funny gleeb says he has bad mechanics when he actually has very good mechanics but probably just couldn't adjust to stage pressure. with how widespread the definition of mechanics is in league he could mean anything by that and its just interpreted differently by everyone. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On July 23 2014 11:31 kongoline wrote: what? he had highest banrate for a reason, if jax started snowballing game was automatically 10x times harder to win Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%? | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On July 23 2014 13:21 schmutttt wrote: Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%? no he had ~51% before the nerfs | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On July 23 2014 13:21 schmutttt wrote: Hasn't his winrate always hovered around 45%? Not nearly that low, but even with high ban rate it's not been great. The perception that he is some op champ is a classic lol cognitive dissonance/bias with regard to late game champions where players are like "I was 50 cs ahead and he solo killed me." Or other things like that. In reality, jax has a surprisingly low solo queue win rate because split pushers like singed and trynd often have surprisingly high win rates. Also it probably has to do with the difference in how powerful tp is for cooperative play vs. Disorganized. So really never that great, even though jax is a great hero. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On July 23 2014 13:46 Yes Im Otto wrote: Lucian top is super annoying now, with CDR boots he can be like Kass/Vayne etc with 6 sec or so CD flash. I saw a nasus get counterpicked by a lucian, it was brutal | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:15 killerdog wrote: I saw a nasus get counterpicked by a lucian, it was brutal Nasus gets counterpicked by everything these days | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
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