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On July 06 2014 18:21 JazzVortical wrote:
Both projectile blocking skills are dumb because they invalidate your options. You can't do anything against them, which goes against Riot's counterplay hard on, but they did it anyway. Both just sit there, fucking you over.
They are just so incredibly frustrating to play against and add no interesting interactions for the opposing team.
Why aren't you complaining about stuns or spell shields or whatever... actually the walls are totally coherent with riots stance on counterplay. They want an option to nullify ranged attacks, but they want there to be a counterplay as opposed to just a straight up shield. Hence the wall which is only positionally effective.
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On July 06 2014 18:36 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 18:21 JazzVortical wrote:
Both projectile blocking skills are dumb because they invalidate your options. You can't do anything against them, which goes against Riot's counterplay hard on, but they did it anyway. Both just sit there, fucking you over.
They are just so incredibly frustrating to play against and add no interesting interactions for the opposing team.
Why aren't you complaining about stuns or spell shields or whatever... actually the walls are totally coherent with riots stance on counterplay. They want an option to nullify ranged attacks, but they want there to be a counterplay as opposed to just a straight up shield. Hence the wall which is only positionally effective.
Almost all stuns are dodge-able. Those that aren't have severe drawbacks (e.g. fiddle fear is short range, Taric is a trash champion). And there are things like QSS, Mikael's and Cleanse if you want to go down that path. Spell shield is breakable.
How come people don't just walk around it then? It isn't feasible. What do you do as an ADC when Wind Wall is in front of you and you need to hit people on the other side? I guarantee you're not going to walk though it or around it and closer to the enemy team, unless of course you have a ridiculous advantage. Waiting for it to dissipate is your only option. Like I said, that's not an interesting interaction for the opposing team.
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Braum gets a MS buff during Unbreakable. The best way to deal with the wall is actually to send someone with a knock-back send him flying to clear the way.
Windwall you want to move around it, which means you're awfully close to Yasuo which is exactly what he wants.
On July 06 2014 12:36 cLutZ wrote:
Well yes, but compounding that is that they are on champs that want you to run at them and try to engage. It's like giving Ezreal Anivia's wall: "oh my you don't want to fight me with terrain around, lol."
'cause Anivia isn't retarded as soon as there's terrain.
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something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you).
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On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you).
Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability.
I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability.
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On July 06 2014 19:33 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 18:36 sob3k wrote:On July 06 2014 18:21 JazzVortical wrote:
Both projectile blocking skills are dumb because they invalidate your options. You can't do anything against them, which goes against Riot's counterplay hard on, but they did it anyway. Both just sit there, fucking you over.
They are just so incredibly frustrating to play against and add no interesting interactions for the opposing team.
Why aren't you complaining about stuns or spell shields or whatever... actually the walls are totally coherent with riots stance on counterplay. They want an option to nullify ranged attacks, but they want there to be a counterplay as opposed to just a straight up shield. Hence the wall which is only positionally effective. Almost all stuns are dodge-able. Those that aren't have severe drawbacks (e.g. fiddle fear is short range, Taric is a trash champion). And there are things like QSS, Mikael's and Cleanse if you want to go down that path. Spell shield is breakable. How come people don't just walk around it then? It isn't feasible. What do you do as an ADC when Wind Wall is in front of you and you need to hit people on the other side? I guarantee you're not going to walk though it or around it and closer to the enemy team, unless of course you have a ridiculous advantage. Waiting for it to dissipate is your only option. Like I said, that's not an interesting interaction for the opposing team.
Honestly I just think windwall lasts too long(interaction issues aside). Well placed, it's almost a teamwide counterstrike that lasts twice as long. Having almost 25% uptime on pretty much the strongest ability in the game is stupid.
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On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability.
that's not how the game works though
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I think the biggest issue is that the wind wall is too big. Of course you want to try and maneuver around it, but level 5 wind wall is fucking HUGE which makes this ability even more stupid.
But well my proposed nerf to it would probably be a damage threshold. Its just ridiculous that you can completely nullify certain ults with it
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What's fucking ridiculous is that when I pick Nami cuz I forgot Braum is not banned, they pick him, and GG, good luck playing without ult. Luckily her other abilities rock, but it's still a joke that a huge ass wave is stopped by Braums (compared to the wave) tiny shield.
At least vs Yasuo you know if you have a ~12-14 sec window to ult succesfully, but not vs Braum.
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I'm starting to feel how China does, still on 4.10 on OCE...
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What's the popular jungle Kayle build now?
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On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability.
i feel like this game becomes 20x more cancerous whenever vlad becomes popular again
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On July 07 2014 01:12 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability. i feel like this game becomes 20x more cancerous whenever vlad becomes popular again
And Vlad will not be popular as long as there are so many champions and game mechanics that shut him out.
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I miss vlad 
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On July 07 2014 01:16 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 01:12 arb wrote:On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability. i feel like this game becomes 20x more cancerous whenever vlad becomes popular again And Vlad will not be popular as long as there are so many champions and game mechanics that shut him out.
I think its really just surviving the lane phase with him, kinda like Ryze he feels like a ticking time bomb before you cant do anything to him anymore
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How does TSM Amazing have a challenger border? Didn't he come to NA after season 3?
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On July 07 2014 01:33 UnKooL wrote:
How does TSM Amazing have a challenger border? Didn't he come to NA after season 3?
Account transfer, I'm guessing.
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On July 07 2014 01:23 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 01:16 Dusty wrote:On July 07 2014 01:12 arb wrote:On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability. i feel like this game becomes 20x more cancerous whenever vlad becomes popular again And Vlad will not be popular as long as there are so many champions and game mechanics that shut him out. I think its really just surviving the lane phase with him, kinda like Ryze he feels like a ticking time bomb before you cant do anything to him anymore
i mained him and still love vlad but he is bad in soloQ, has no cc, no burst, no roam potential, yes he is relatively safe in lane but his scaling is very slow he needs 5+ items where he starts to be more relevant than bruisers like shyv,irelia, on top of that he has bad matchups like j4,fiora, riven,irelia who will completely shit on u at any point of the game, out roam and have higher impact for the first 35minutes
yes u eventually will be team fight monster but 95% games are decided way before that moment
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