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On July 07 2014 01:23 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 01:16 Dusty wrote:On July 07 2014 01:12 arb wrote:On July 06 2014 20:41 JazzVortical wrote:On July 06 2014 19:53 Dusty wrote:
something people also have to realize about yasuo is that champ select is where you can really counter him as a champion by picking a comp that isnt overly projecticle based or by picking things that can threaten squishy melees (like most toplane and jungle champs that are popular are). He's something you have to keep in mind when you are drafting, if he was really super op and uncounterable then every pro midlaner would be playing him, but only a few of them do (and less of those play him well mind you). Of course he has counters. But that still doesn't change Wind Wall being a dumb ability. Vlad has counters too. But that still doesn't change Sanguine Pool being a dumb ability. Fizz has counters too. But that still doesn't change Playful/Trickster being a dumb ability. I don't care if the champ is terrible. He could have the lowest win rate in the game. Wind Wall is dumb ability. i feel like this game becomes 20x more cancerous whenever vlad becomes popular again And Vlad will not be popular as long as there are so many champions and game mechanics that shut him out. I think its really just surviving the lane phase with him, kinda like Ryze he feels like a ticking time bomb before you cant do anything to him anymore
except vlad doesn't dominate lane 1v1 like ryze does from as early as level 1, nor does he have good roaming with/without tp due to lack of CC. Ryze also has the luxury of being able to be very tanky due to the nature of ryze's mana scaling. Vlad also has to use health to cast his spells and is slower than Ryze.
Come to think of it, Ryze and Vlad aren't really similar except for the fact that they are mages and scale well into the late game.
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Uh... the onus is on Irelia to beat Vlad, and although she'll beat him in time it won't last for "5 items", she'll also be completely hapless against him if he gets a lead (the issue here is his awful gank-assist, not a scaling or somethiing). He definitely doesn't need 5 items to start becoming strong (considering we usually don't count boots you're saying Vlad is shit until he hits full build, wat).
If he can get ahead he's always been a pain in the ass midgame, and his lategame is his lategame, issue is laning won't necessarily let him get ahead easily with the current popular champions (I assume Nidalee shits on him super hard).
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vlad has nothing to do with scaling/laning/etc problems
its that the huge bruiser comps fell out of favor for mobility/range which he is terrible against. If you were to play against something like wukong mid renek top or w/e then vlad is really strong vs that shit show close range fights since he does absurd damage in close quarters.
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u need tier2 boots, revolver and zhonya, at this point everyone has stacked mr so u will need void staff to do any damage, now even with those items u have low damage and are relatively squishy
i feel as vlad is start to feel tanky and relevant after deathcap and SV which are usually my 5th/6th items at this point ur passive kicks in and u have enough cdr to spam pool and ur spells in middle of team fight
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How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad.
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On July 07 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad.
Well he doesn't really offer much utility, his damage isn't that high and his laning isn't that strong. No real point to pick him since he does less sustained damage than tankier people with less utility than them?
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and how much of the sustained damage are u able to put out in team fight ? because it usually ends with u ulting and E/Q once then pooling away before u get bursted, early-mid game ur squishy like any ap caster ur range is crap and ur base skill dmg/scaling is low, if u think vlads damage high u are clueless, its not even close to what rumble does mid game
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On July 07 2014 02:08 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad. Well he doesn't really offer much utility, his damage isn't that high and his laning isn't that strong. No real point to pick him since he does less sustained damage than tankier people with less utility than them?
You can't really look at champions in a vaccum like that. He's pretty well rounded and while he doesn't have CC, he can get a rylais. Vlad's seen competitive play in double AP comps too.
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On July 07 2014 02:19 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 02:08 Numy wrote:On July 07 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad. Well he doesn't really offer much utility, his damage isn't that high and his laning isn't that strong. No real point to pick him since he does less sustained damage than tankier people with less utility than them? You can't really look at champions in a vaccum like that. He's pretty well rounded and while he doesn't have CC, he can get a rylais. Vlad's seen competitive play in double AP comps too.
only recent showing i can recall was when youngbuck played vlad vs darien, the sad part was he wasnt able to splitpush before 6 items vs botrk fulltank renekton (which was smart from darien, considering everyone else was rushing tiamant at that time while botrk shits on vlad) only time he managed to put pressure was when he hit his 6 item when game was basically over, he did nothing
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On July 07 2014 02:31 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 02:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 07 2014 02:08 Numy wrote:On July 07 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad. Well he doesn't really offer much utility, his damage isn't that high and his laning isn't that strong. No real point to pick him since he does less sustained damage than tankier people with less utility than them? You can't really look at champions in a vaccum like that. He's pretty well rounded and while he doesn't have CC, he can get a rylais. Vlad's seen competitive play in double AP comps too. only recent showing i can recall was when youngbuck played vlad vs darien, the sad part was he wasnt able to splitpush before 6 items vs botrk fulltank renekton (which was smart from darien, considering everyone else was rushing tiamant at that time while botrk shits on vlad) only time he managed to put pressure was when he hit his 6 item when game was basically over, he did nothing
i feel like you would do more damage with tiamat than bork at like every point on renekton tbh
having an extra 100% ad nuke and a way to cancel your W's long as animation is beyond amazing
in general though, if you get even a slight lead on a vlad you can literally punish any lane so hard its unreal. the animation times on his Q/E means you can harass them under tower while they absolutely cannot do anything and the tower will never help them
its pretty aids
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On July 07 2014 02:19 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 02:08 Numy wrote:On July 07 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
How is Vlad "low damage"? He's got no burst but his sustained damage is pretty good on the contrary. Of course if what your teamcomp needs is a Syndra then he's shit but that's not what you ask of a Vlad. Well he doesn't really offer much utility, his damage isn't that high and his laning isn't that strong. No real point to pick him since he does less sustained damage than tankier people with less utility than them? You can't really look at champions in a vaccum like that. He's pretty well rounded and while he doesn't have CC, he can get a rylais. Vlad's seen competitive play in double AP comps too.
Hmm I only remember seeing Youngbuck use Vlad and it was awful. Last time I saw vlad work in double AP was last season I think or even season before that.
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yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible
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Vlad just has too many bad lane matchup and absolutely no good item powerspikes outside a zhonyas, which often too delayed cuz he gets his face smashed in lane too hard.
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On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible
What do you mean?
lol.
With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide.
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On July 07 2014 03:05 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible What do you mean? lol. With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide.
I think he's saying if you get behind against Vlad in lane literally doing anything(including farming under tower) is impossible, which is pretty true tbh.
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On July 07 2014 03:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 03:05 iCanada wrote:On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible What do you mean? lol. With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide. I think he's saying if you get behind against Vlad in lane literally doing anything(including farming under tower) is impossible, which is pretty true tbh.
Its fairly true, but a lot of his matchups aren't that bad. No one plays a lot of his awful matchups much. Just stay away from Fiora, Renekton, and Panth you should be fine.
You should lose lane, but if you come out down 30 cs it isn't really a big deal.
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On July 07 2014 03:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 03:05 iCanada wrote:On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible What do you mean? lol. With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide. I think he's saying if you get behind against Vlad in lane literally doing anything(including farming under tower) is impossible, which is pretty true tbh.
I think that was the point of the recent change to towers targetting faster. Making it harder for champions to dip into tower range, cast, and then gtfo.
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On July 07 2014 03:09 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 03:06 arb wrote:On July 07 2014 03:05 iCanada wrote:On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible What do you mean? lol. With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide. I think he's saying if you get behind against Vlad in lane literally doing anything(including farming under tower) is impossible, which is pretty true tbh. I think that was the point of the recent change to towers targetting faster. Making it harder for champions to dip into tower range, cast, and then gtfo.
I think it shouldnt hurt Vlad too much though, he has pretty significant travel times on his spells, E especially so he can hit you bare minimum range then run out before the tower knows whats happening
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obviously was talking when vlad gets ahead the other guy is screwed, i feel at current state if vlad ever becomes t1 pick people will cry and he will eventually gets nerfed or reworked, his kit is completely unfun to play against i just like to be a dick and make people angry thats why i play him xD
also bloodlord skin has best voicover and is cool af
On July 07 2014 03:09 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 03:06 arb wrote:On July 07 2014 03:05 iCanada wrote:On July 07 2014 02:48 kongoline wrote:
yes even as a vlad main i would never want him to be buffed because getting behind in lane is worse than aids literally nothing u can do even farming under tower is impossible What do you mean? lol. With Q and E and Revlolver farming under tower is pretty easy. Only champ other than vlad I'd rather be pinned to my tower as is Irelia. You have huge sustain and unless you picked an awful matchup diving you is suicide. I think he's saying if you get behind against Vlad in lane literally doing anything(including farming under tower) is impossible, which is pretty true tbh. I think that was the point of the recent change to towers targetting faster. Making it harder for champions to dip into tower range, cast, and then gtfo.
after revolver vlad doesnt really care about occasional turret hits
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On July 07 2014 03:16 kongoline wrote:
obviously was talking when vlad gets ahead the other guy is screwed, i feel at current state if vlad ever becomes t1 pick people will cry and he will eventually gets nerfed or reworked, his kit is completely unfun to play against i just like to be a dick and make people angry thats why i play him xD
also bloodlord skin has best voicover and is cool af
I play Pantheon and Fiora. Troll on my friend, I am not concerned.
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