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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 06 2014 00:13 GMT
#621
On July 06 2014 08:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2014 08:35 arb wrote:
you guys think they oculd balance wind wall/ice shield by making them only able to absorb say.. 500 ranged damage? or something?(scaling with level obv)

I think Wind Wall is pretty balanced. Super powerful effect, really long cooldown.

Unbreakable is pretty OP atm in my opinion. It's Wind Wall that turns into a mini Alistar ult. It also has a ridiculously low cooldown. Plus, when combined with Braum's W, Braum's tankiness gets a bit ridiculous. Braum E needs some combination of a cd nerf and/or a % damage reduction nerf. Either that, or Riot needs to take a ton of power away from his other skills.


I think his W should only make his team tanky.

His shield already gives him huge tankiness
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 06 2014 00:38 GMT
#622
The problem with Wind Wall is that it introduced a brand new mechanics that this game had never seen before.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 06 2014 01:39 GMT
#623
If anyone wants to laugh with me at NoName on teamspeak go join the channel "Little Sister Licks Ears"
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 06 2014 01:41 GMT
#624
On July 06 2014 10:39 Scip wrote:
If anyone wants to laugh with me at NoName on teamspeak go join the channel "Little Sister Licks Ears"

Ya I've been baited by that one before.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 06 2014 01:42 GMT
#625
Hey, you wanted to know why that channel name is what it is
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 01:57:09
July 06 2014 01:56 GMT
#626
edit:wrong thread.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 06 2014 02:37 GMT
#627
On July 06 2014 10:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2014 10:39 Scip wrote:
If anyone wants to laugh with me at NoName on teamspeak go join the channel "Little Sister Licks Ears"

Ya I've been baited by that one before.


Thanks for the heads up.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
July 06 2014 03:33 GMT
#628
Wind Wall and Unbreakable both seem very anti-Riot compared to what their actions in S2/S3 implied and also the "design principles" that they just laid out. They both completely negate the actions of opposing players for longer than Noct/Sivir/Morg/Kayle without a real way to interact with them (you can break Morg shield, you can CC Kayle targets). They are on par with Vlad's Troll Pool (and Riot considers pretty much all of Vlad's kit a design failure) and Fizz Troll Pole in terms of frustration for the other guy, but come with less drawbacks (last longer and/or lower CD and/or no resources).

From a personal viewpoint, they seem as garbage design as Force Field and Fungal. At least Stasis was extremely high cost to deploy and had a drawback to balance it's strength (I guess Lockdown and Maelstrom fall under this too).
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 06 2014 03:36 GMT
#629
Well yes, but compounding that is that they are on champs that want you to run at them and try to engage. It's like giving Ezreal Anivia's wall: "oh my you don't want to fight me with terrain around, lol."
Freeeeeeedom
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 04:09:59
July 06 2014 04:08 GMT
#630
On July 06 2014 12:33 xes wrote:
Wind Wall and Unbreakable both seem very anti-Riot compared to what their actions in S2/S3 implied and also the "design principles" that they just laid out. They both completely negate the actions of opposing players for longer than Noct/Sivir/Morg/Kayle without a real way to interact with them (you can break Morg shield, you can CC Kayle targets). They are on par with Vlad's Troll Pool (and Riot considers pretty much all of Vlad's kit a design failure) and Fizz Troll Pole in terms of frustration for the other guy, but come with less drawbacks (last longer and/or lower CD and/or no resources).

From a personal viewpoint, they seem as garbage design as Force Field and Fungal. At least Stasis was extremely high cost to deploy and had a drawback to balance it's strength (I guess Lockdown and Maelstrom fall under this too).

wind wall has a pretty significant cd...It's 18 seconds at max rank. Plus, Yasuo doesn't tend to build CDR except for the occassional ghostblade. Personally, I think Wind Wall's the better balanced of the two. I don't really think it's broken or needs to be nerfed.

Unbreakable, on the other hand, is just ridiculous. It's way way stronger than Wind Wall. The skill only has a 2 second downtime with max cdr, which Braum will almost always get plus it's mobile. Sure it doesn't negate everything, but it gives so much damage reduction it might as well do.

Design-wise I kinda like them. It's a refreshing new mechanic. If Riot's designers shy away from everything that has potential to be frustrating the game will get old and boring.
On July 06 2014 12:36 cLutZ wrote:
Well yes, but compounding that is that they are on champs that want you to run at them and try to engage. It's like giving Ezreal Anivia's wall: "oh my you don't want to fight me with terrain around, lol."

wat.

I think it's the other way around. Yasuo and Braum want to engage on you. Yasuo with his Q3-ult combo and Braum with his passive, Q, and ult. With Yasuo, you can bait out the wind wall then try to pick him off. Braum just dumb.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 06 2014 04:59 GMT
#631
Yasuo just wants to fight in general, but since he has bad engage, he wants you to engage into an empowered q. Braum is similar, his weakness is supposed to be bad engage, the problem is he is super strong if you engage (unless they have like a 4 man dive team).
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 06 2014 05:31 GMT
#632
Man, playing Poppy into Akali is not fun at all.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 06 2014 05:34 GMT
#633
On July 06 2014 14:31 GolemMadness wrote:
Man, playing Poppy into Akali is not fun at all.

That's what you get for playing Poppy.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 06 2014 05:35 GMT
#634
I hardly have any champions on this account and got kind of bored of playing Tryndamere all the time. What am I gonna do, play Garen?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 05:37:30
July 06 2014 05:37 GMT
#635
On July 06 2014 14:35 GolemMadness wrote:
I hardly have any champions on this account and got kind of bored of playing Tryndamere all the time. What am I gonna do, play Garen?

Yes. Free Swagknight skin, yo.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
July 06 2014 05:38 GMT
#636
Live life longly thx to shield battery Garen passive.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 06 2014 05:56 GMT
#637
On July 06 2014 14:38 Ethelis wrote:
Live life longly thx to shield battery Garen passive.

My life for Demacia.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 06 2014 06:44 GMT
#638
Three times in the past few days I've tried to fiddle ult then flash but flashed too early and just cancelled my ult. I am bad.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 06 2014 07:52 GMT
#639
Does nobody play late at night? When i'm drnnk I ju;st want to play with some TL'ers but shit shit frustrating. C'mon; thought you wer my dogs.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 06 2014 09:21 GMT
#640
Both projectile blocking skills are dumb because they invalidate your options. You can't do anything against them, which goes against Riot's counterplay hard on, but they did it anyway. Both just sit there, fucking you over.

They are just so incredibly frustrating to play against and add no interesting interactions for the opposing team.

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