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On July 05 2014 20:33 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 20:30 Alaric wrote:
What happens to Talon's ult? Does the whole ring of blades disappear, even the one that are thrown on the opposite side of Talon compared to Braum? The whole ring of blades is coded as one, so that you can only get hit once going out, and once going in. If it gets absorbed, the whole ring vanishes. You'd think that Riot could afford to hire an intern on their internal sandbox to just use every skill in the game on an infinite wall to document interactions, but evidently not.
Same thing with Nami ulti or Nunu ulti. Braum and Yasuo are just dumb and a spell like that shouldn't be in the game.
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Does nami or nunu ult get blocked no matter what direction the wall is facing? do the spells count as omnidirection while within the aoe?
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On July 05 2014 20:33 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 20:30 Alaric wrote:
What happens to Talon's ult? Does the whole ring of blades disappear, even the one that are thrown on the opposite side of Talon compared to Braum? The whole ring of blades is coded as one, so that you can only get hit once going out, and once going in. If it gets absorbed, the whole ring vanishes. You'd think that Riot could afford to hire an intern on their internal sandbox to just use every skill in the game on an infinite wall to document interactions, but evidently not.
Do you honestly think they don't know?lol.They just can't fix their shitty code and are too lazy to make a new one.
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On July 05 2014 21:50 PrinceXizor wrote:
Does nami or nunu ult get blocked no matter what direction the wall is facing? do the spells count as omnidirection while within the aoe?
Is Braum is facing the center of the AOE, he blocks all of it.
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Wait, it cancels all of Nunu ult?
Wtf...
Thats pretty broken dude. wow.
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On July 06 2014 00:15 iCanada wrote:
Wait, it cancels all of Nunu ult?
Wtf...
Thats pretty broken dude. wow.
As far as I know, yeah.
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No, Nunu's ult isn't a projectile, so it shouldn't be affected. Look at Karma's Mantra-Q: the projectile is stopped by Unbreakable, but the AoE circle is centered around Braum and also affectes his allies right behind him.
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On July 06 2014 00:19 Alaric wrote:
No, Nunu's ult isn't a projectile, so it shouldn't be affected. Look at Karma's Mantra-Q: the projectile is stopped by Unbreakable, but the AoE circle is centered around Braum and also affectes his allies right behind him.
Yeah, this is what I woulda assume would happen.
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On July 06 2014 00:19 Alaric wrote:
No, Nunu's ult isn't a projectile, so it shouldn't be affected. Look at Karma's Mantra-Q: the projectile is stopped by Unbreakable, but the AoE circle is centered around Braum and also affectes his allies right behind him.
Sorry I didn't describe it better. It blocks all of Nunu's ulti on Braum if he's facing nunu but the allies still get it. Same thing with any circluar AoE spell. The projectiles is only about blocking damage from allies too.
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Oh you were talking about the first instance of damage that is 100% removed? Yeah, it works on everything but towers. Not sure about true damage?
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On July 06 2014 01:22 Alaric wrote:
Oh you were talking about the first instance of damage that is 100% removed? Yeah, it works on everything but towers. Not sure about true damage?
Active: Braum raises his shield, creating a barrier in the target direction that reduces the damage Braum takes from oncoming sources (excluding true damage and towers) for the next few seconds. The damage reduction is increased to 100% for the first source of champion damage that would be reduced.
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I think whatever is on the ground doesn't get blocked by walls. Like if ziggs throws his minefield, and you windwall while the mines are in midair, they all disappear, but if they're already on the ground your windwall doesn't do anything
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I thought he wad saying the walls would totally fizzle out nunu ult. Lol.
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On July 05 2014 20:26 Amui wrote:
I think projectile blocks could potentially be good, but they were rushed into the game before fixing all the intricacies that simply don't make sense. Gragas ulti into windwall should blow up upon contacting the wall, dealing the effect in a 180 degree arc, not get eaten. Same with gragas Q. Pretty much every single projectile that has an endpoint AoE effect should deal damage upon contacting the wall in a 180 degree arc.
Also on the skill eating point. Nami ult for example shouldn't get fully absorbed, only the part that contacts wall should get eaten. Same thing with talon ult, which is even worse. There are so many cases that are straight up nonsensical and dumb that are ignored because some champion designer decided that X should be in the game, without thinking about the consequences.
I think that would make the skills less frustrating to play against but the main problem with the two skills right now is that they are on champions that generally beat their ranged counterparts in all-in situations. So they negate your poke, but also would love for you to try to kill them, because they just will kill you.
Even that would be fine if they had shit late games so you just farm and avoid letting them get fed, like against swain, riven, yorik, etc. However, they scale very well.
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It would also be a pain to code. Virtually every ranged aoe skillshot would need re-coding if they wanted to do that.
Riot would probably definitely break the game in half if they tried. Not to mention the amount of time it'd probably take to QA everything.
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On July 06 2014 04:40 Ryuu314 wrote:
It would also be a pain to code. Virtually every ranged aoe skillshot would need re-coding if they wanted to do that.
Riot would probably definitely break the game in half if they tried. Not to mention the amount of time it'd probably take to QA everything.
You'd have to recode stuff that should only get partially destroyed(nami ult for example). You'd probably have to add 180degree version of all the various aoe's, and check>replace, but it would definitely improve the projectile block interactions.
Not saying that it wouldn't break stuff, it most certainly would.
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On July 06 2014 03:04 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 20:26 Amui wrote:
I think projectile blocks could potentially be good, but they were rushed into the game before fixing all the intricacies that simply don't make sense. Gragas ulti into windwall should blow up upon contacting the wall, dealing the effect in a 180 degree arc, not get eaten. Same with gragas Q. Pretty much every single projectile that has an endpoint AoE effect should deal damage upon contacting the wall in a 180 degree arc.
Also on the skill eating point. Nami ult for example shouldn't get fully absorbed, only the part that contacts wall should get eaten. Same thing with talon ult, which is even worse. There are so many cases that are straight up nonsensical and dumb that are ignored because some champion designer decided that X should be in the game, without thinking about the consequences. I think that would make the skills less frustrating to play against but the main problem with the two skills right now is that they are on champions that generally beat their ranged counterparts in all-in situations. So they negate your poke, but also would love for you to try to kill them, because they just will kill you. Even that would be fine if they had shit late games so you just farm and avoid letting them get fed, like against swain, riven, yorik, etc. However, they scale very well.
I kept telling you people that Braum is weak to Janna and Lulu for this very reason but no one believes me.
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On July 06 2014 04:52 Amui wrote:
You'd have to recode stuff that should only get partially destroyed(nami ult for example). You'd probably have to add 180degree version of all the various aoe's, and check>replace, but it would definitely improve the projectile block interactions.
You wouldn't even need a semicircular version of each AoE spell. Just create a single semicircular dummy AoE BVeil effect with variable radius that instantly is applied at the moment of contact, so that everything on the far side of the wall instantly has the BVeil effect applied and immediately consumed by the incoming spell. Having everyone on the far side of the wall spell-shield the full AoE is functionally equivalent to the spell only having a semicircular AoE on the near side.
The hardest part would actually be doing the art assets, because every exploding AoE would need a blast animation corresponding to the semicircular AoE.
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On July 06 2014 04:52 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 04:40 Ryuu314 wrote:
It would also be a pain to code. Virtually every ranged aoe skillshot would need re-coding if they wanted to do that.
Riot would probably definitely break the game in half if they tried. Not to mention the amount of time it'd probably take to QA everything. You'd have to recode stuff that should only get partially destroyed(nami ult for example). You'd probably have to add 180degree version of all the various aoe's, and check>replace, but it would definitely improve the projectile block interactions. Not saying that it wouldn't break stuff, it most certainly would.
Which is literally every non-targeted single ranged aoe ability in the game, which is the vast majority of ranged abilities in the game lol
it's also likely more complicated than simply adding another version of the ability to the game. while yes, it would improve the game, it'd also likely cause much much more problems than its worth.
On July 06 2014 05:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 04:52 Amui wrote:
You'd have to recode stuff that should only get partially destroyed(nami ult for example). You'd probably have to add 180degree version of all the various aoe's, and check>replace, but it would definitely improve the projectile block interactions. You wouldn't even need a semicircular version of each AoE spell. Just create a single semicircular dummy AoE BVeil effect with variable radius that instantly is applied at the moment of contact, so that everything on the far side of the wall instantly has the BVeil effect applied and immediately consumed by the incoming spell. Having everyone on the far side of the wall spell-shield the full AoE is functionally equivalent to the spell only having a semicircular AoE on the near side. The hardest part would actually be doing the art assets, because every exploding AoE would need a blast animation corresponding to the semicircular AoE.
I can see this screwing up spectacularly. for one thing, you'd get really odd interactions with non damage/projectile spells unintentionally getting blocked.
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On July 06 2014 04:56 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 03:04 cLutZ wrote:On July 05 2014 20:26 Amui wrote:
I think projectile blocks could potentially be good, but they were rushed into the game before fixing all the intricacies that simply don't make sense. Gragas ulti into windwall should blow up upon contacting the wall, dealing the effect in a 180 degree arc, not get eaten. Same with gragas Q. Pretty much every single projectile that has an endpoint AoE effect should deal damage upon contacting the wall in a 180 degree arc.
Also on the skill eating point. Nami ult for example shouldn't get fully absorbed, only the part that contacts wall should get eaten. Same thing with talon ult, which is even worse. There are so many cases that are straight up nonsensical and dumb that are ignored because some champion designer decided that X should be in the game, without thinking about the consequences. I think that would make the skills less frustrating to play against but the main problem with the two skills right now is that they are on champions that generally beat their ranged counterparts in all-in situations. So they negate your poke, but also would love for you to try to kill them, because they just will kill you. Even that would be fine if they had shit late games so you just farm and avoid letting them get fed, like against swain, riven, yorik, etc. However, they scale very well. I kept telling you people that Braum is weak to Janna and Lulu for this very reason but no one believes me.
What reason in my post exactly? Because Janna and Lulu are fairly dissimilar supports.
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