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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
June 29 2014 21:17 GMT
#1901
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
June 29 2014 21:35 GMT
#1902
Is LOL really so much bigger than WOW? I mean, I guess in users, but Blizzard's WOW profits have to still be several times that of LOL profits right? I mean, FFS they are releasing another expansion.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 21:40:32
June 29 2014 21:39 GMT
#1903
On June 30 2014 06:35 cLutZ wrote:
Is LOL really so much bigger than WOW? I mean, I guess in users, but Blizzard's WOW profits have to still be several times that of LOL profits right? I mean, FFS they are releasing another expansion.

In 2013 if you total the microtransactions, which discounting subscription costs for WoW, League made $624mil in revenue while WoW made $213mil.

Source

On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

You forgot "proc"
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 29 2014 21:47 GMT
#1904
So about that League of Legends game. Dat Darius skin is getting me mad pumped, and I don't even own Darius. I am so down to see more skins with that theme.
Also, what junglers are now are viable but not mainly used? I ask this because I happened to use Rammus again and found him pretty fun despite the fact that he's never seen, and I was wondering if there were any other junglers like that (good enough to not make winning incredibly hard).
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
June 29 2014 21:51 GMT
#1905
On June 30 2014 06:39 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:35 cLutZ wrote:
Is LOL really so much bigger than WOW? I mean, I guess in users, but Blizzard's WOW profits have to still be several times that of LOL profits right? I mean, FFS they are releasing another expansion.

In 2013 if you total the microtransactions, which discounting subscription costs for WoW, League made $624mil in revenue while WoW made $213mil.

Source

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

You forgot "proc"


So...discounting $15/month for ~8 million subs (which is still lower than its high by about 1/3), and the biannual $30-40 expansion cash infusion. Yea, WOW is still the all time king of computer gaming.
Freeeeeeedom
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 29 2014 21:52 GMT
#1906
Yo Slayer I saw some stuff about you arguing about Garen while glancing over it I recalled that you play/played Garen at a decently high level I enjoyed Garen in s3 (I think it was) I know it was before the W nerf. And after that I couldn't dominate lane sufficiently to win games with him and stopped picking him up.

I'm curious do you still play Garen and can you give me the run down on how to play him properly now?

(Eagerly Awaiting :3)
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 29 2014 21:55 GMT
#1907
As soon as the new SotAG and Quill Coat come out I'm picking Cho jungle up again. Been training for it already.

Just go AP quints/aspd reds/armor yellows/mixed MR blues (works for Maokai too) and go EQWEER R>E>W>Q

No real set build path, if you can get a Rod of Ages before 15 mins get it before SotAG otherwise just go tank stuff with SotAG and mobies. You can force a lot of dragons with feast/smite so pretty much any time you get a kill or they back you should consider it. Carry pinks and run sweeper.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 22:04:29
June 29 2014 22:03 GMT
#1908
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

Nay young one. You're almost there. Do not hate the words. For they have done nothing.

Hate the misuse and overuse of said words.

Hate bad/non-existent reasoning.

Hate their convoluted, poor rational, non logical to the point of being absurd, magical thinking.

But I beseech thee, leave the words out of it.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 22:08:21
June 29 2014 22:04 GMT
#1909
On June 30 2014 06:47 Dark_Chill wrote:
So about that League of Legends game. Dat Darius skin is getting me mad pumped, and I don't even own Darius. I am so down to see more skins with that theme.
Also, what junglers are now are viable but not mainly used? I ask this because I happened to use Rammus again and found him pretty fun despite the fact that he's never seen, and I was wondering if there were any other junglers like that (good enough to not make winning incredibly hard).


Aatrox is good, so is Sejuani.

Aatrox you can just build him tanky with maybe Lizard and he is amazingly frustrating to deal with due to his innate damage and revive passive. People rage. lol. He LOOOVED Feral Flare before they made it so hard to get going. lol. Now he just can't put out any pressure if he buys it.

Sejuani is kind of a sad panda early game if the other team pressures her jungle at all, but she is imo the best teamfighting tank. She will hate losing Spirit stone on Spirit of the Ancient Golem a lot though.

I'm sure Zac is still a good jungler, like Zac / Ori wombo combo could probably turn a lot of heads. Havn't played him in a long time though. He got nerfed for top lane so people stopped jungling him, butr I think his jungle still probably prettyy strong.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 22:07 GMT
#1910
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

how are we suppose describe the game being played out then?
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 22:22:56
June 29 2014 22:21 GMT
#1911
On June 30 2014 07:04 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:47 Dark_Chill wrote:
So about that League of Legends game. Dat Darius skin is getting me mad pumped, and I don't even own Darius. I am so down to see more skins with that theme.
Also, what junglers are now are viable but not mainly used? I ask this because I happened to use Rammus again and found him pretty fun despite the fact that he's never seen, and I was wondering if there were any other junglers like that (good enough to not make winning incredibly hard).


Aatrox is good, so is Sejuani.

Aatrox you can just build him tanky with maybe Lizard and he is amazingly frustrating to deal with due to his innate damage and revive passive. People rage. lol. He LOOOVED Feral Flare before they made it so hard to get going. lol. Now he just can't put out any pressure if he buys it.

Sejuani is kind of a sad panda early game if the other team pressures her jungle at all, but she is imo the best teamfighting tank. She will hate losing Spirit stone on Spirit of the Ancient Golem a lot though.

I'm sure Zac is still a good jungler, like Zac / Ori wombo combo could probably turn a lot of heads. Havn't played him in a long time though. He got nerfed for top lane so people stopped jungling him, butr I think his jungle still probably prettyy strong.

Why would she miss Spirit Stone? Quill Coat regens strong.

On June 30 2014 07:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

how are we suppose describe the game being played out then?

Correctly. Meta isn't ad/sup bot. Meta is pick/ban strategies. Not sure what his issue with counterpick is. Granted there isn't a ton of hard counters in League, but that doesn't mean there aren't counters.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 29 2014 22:31 GMT
#1912
On June 30 2014 07:21 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:04 iCanada wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:47 Dark_Chill wrote:
So about that League of Legends game. Dat Darius skin is getting me mad pumped, and I don't even own Darius. I am so down to see more skins with that theme.
Also, what junglers are now are viable but not mainly used? I ask this because I happened to use Rammus again and found him pretty fun despite the fact that he's never seen, and I was wondering if there were any other junglers like that (good enough to not make winning incredibly hard).


Aatrox is good, so is Sejuani.

Aatrox you can just build him tanky with maybe Lizard and he is amazingly frustrating to deal with due to his innate damage and revive passive. People rage. lol. He LOOOVED Feral Flare before they made it so hard to get going. lol. Now he just can't put out any pressure if he buys it.

Sejuani is kind of a sad panda early game if the other team pressures her jungle at all, but she is imo the best teamfighting tank. She will hate losing Spirit stone on Spirit of the Ancient Golem a lot though.

I'm sure Zac is still a good jungler, like Zac / Ori wombo combo could probably turn a lot of heads. Havn't played him in a long time though. He got nerfed for top lane so people stopped jungling him, butr I think his jungle still probably prettyy strong.

Why would she miss Spirit Stone? Quill Coat regens strong.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

how are we suppose describe the game being played out then?

Correctly. Meta isn't ad/sup bot. Meta is pick/ban strategies. Not sure what his issue with counterpick is. Granted there isn't a ton of hard counters in League, but that doesn't mean there aren't counters.

Lol I was typing how I wasn't sure if I agreed with you but thinking about it. AD/Sup is lane composition and that is in the game. So meta wouldn't be applicable there. Never really thought about it. Thanks for the revelation friend xD
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
June 29 2014 22:34 GMT
#1913
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 22:40 GMT
#1914
On June 30 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded

and we explained last time that timing was relative to the game pace.
liftlift > tsm
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
June 29 2014 22:42 GMT
#1915
On June 30 2014 07:40 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded

and we explained last time that timing was relative to the game pace.

still a stupid word
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 22:42 GMT
#1916
On June 30 2014 07:42 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded

and we explained last time that timing was relative to the game pace.

still a stupid word

What word would you describe using powerspikes of champions when combined with items?
liftlift > tsm
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
June 29 2014 22:46 GMT
#1917
On June 30 2014 07:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:42 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded

and we explained last time that timing was relative to the game pace.

still a stupid word

What word would you describe using powerspikes of champions when combined with items?

how about the word power spike
OR this might throw you for a loop.
item.
like He is on 1 item and the enemy ad is on 2 items
wow so revolutionary

alot less retarded than using timing when it has nothing to do with time but what item # the champion is on
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 29 2014 22:48 GMT
#1918
Well in this case, I believe the word timing is used because its a misappropriation of the word into a foreign language, then brought back into English from that misappropriated context.

Its annoying to someone who cares about the literal meaning of the English word but otherwise Chinese/Korean misuse of an English word to describe what the word actually is being used to describe is fine.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 22:48 GMT
#1919
On June 30 2014 07:46 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:42 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:17 clickrush wrote:
i hate the words
"meta"
"metagame"
"metashift" (intense hatred)
"ad-carry/ap-carry"
"counterpick"

they are almost allways associated with misuse of said wordm, bad/non-existant reasoning and magical thinking. I bet there are more of that kind.

honestly the worst word to be used is "timing"
i went over why it makes zero sense in a post ages ago but i still detest people who use the word

since nothing is ever going to happen at the same thing you cant be like and its not even time related when people use it like what the fuck
"im still on my 2 item timing 30 minutes in this game, but i was on it at 20 minutes last game"

I'm still waiting on someone to say "Their adc is on his 1item timing, but the other adc is fed and is on his 3 item timing" or something equally as fucking retarded

and we explained last time that timing was relative to the game pace.

still a stupid word

What word would you describe using powerspikes of champions when combined with items?

how about the word power spike
OR this might throw you for a loop.
item.
like He is on 1 item and the enemy ad is on 2 items
wow so revolutionary

alot less retarded than using timing when it has nothing to do with time but what item # the champion is on

When you get it relative to your counterpart time does matter....

like for example, twitch will hit his botrk timing much earlier than a lucian who'll hit his IE timing, during this gap of power, twitch can abuse his powerspike in lane.

Why are you trying to remove the time component?
liftlift > tsm
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
June 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#1920
Can we all just get along? Or maybe just discuss how amazing Bubbadub's stache is?
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