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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 22:59:50
June 29 2014 22:58 GMT
#1921
"Timing" doesn't just refer to the state of your items. Your "3-item timing" doesn't just refer to having 3 items--but that moment when you JUST completed 3 major items, implying that your actual fighting power is underrepresented by your net worth because 1) you have zero banked gold and 2) completed items have higher effectiveness than the same gold value in components. That point represents a power peak because its when your farm has translated most completely into fighting power.

Just saying someone has 3 items doesn't indicate this specific moment.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
June 29 2014 23:06 GMT
#1922
Timing doesn't have to represent a moment on a clock or anything, I'm not sure why that seems to be an issue here. One could easily reference "well timed" events in other sports or whatnot. In the case of 'item timing' either meaning can apply, and context becomes important. "A good 1 item timing" might refer to how early in the game it was gotten(so super early BORK or something) or it might refer to how the item got done just in time to do something, like fight for dragon, or push a tower, whatever.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
June 29 2014 23:41 GMT
#1923
On June 30 2014 07:56 Crusnik wrote:
Can we all just get along? Or maybe just discuss how amazing Bubbadub's stache is?

I think he looks a LOT better without the stache.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 29 2014 23:59 GMT
#1924
--- Nuked ---
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 30 2014 00:02 GMT
#1925
On June 30 2014 08:59 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 08:41 Gahlo wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:56 Crusnik wrote:
Can we all just get along? Or maybe just discuss how amazing Bubbadub's stache is?

I think he looks a LOT better without the stache.


How do I report this guy for this clear blasphemy, I haven't even seen it and it's clear that he's better with the stache because you are always better with a stache.


no
there is a fine line between Manly man moustache(which will cause everyone to admire and call you a god), Pedophile stache(which are painfully obvious and will result ine veryone hating you) and cheesy 70's pornstar stache (kinda neutral but good for a few laughs)
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 30 2014 01:23 GMT
#1926
Man is TF weak 1v1 now. ROFL.

Just killed a 3/0/3 TF with a 0/0/7 Leona. Like... wut...

How bad did they nerf him exactly?

o.o
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 30 2014 01:35 GMT
#1927
On June 30 2014 10:23 iCanada wrote:
Man is TF weak 1v1 now. ROFL.

Just killed a 3/0/3 TF with a 0/0/7 Leona. Like... wut...

How bad did they nerf him exactly?

o.o

you will never kill anyone 1v1 as TF unless they severely over extend, or youre extreme fed, or you get to 6 items
even then you'll never kill any tank straight up without something like the above being met
the last nerf to him was like, his teleport duration he hasnt been touched at all i dont think, he's still really strong
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 30 2014 01:37 GMT
#1928
They also dont run ignite much anymore (Ghost + Flash is the FOTM for him), so TF is really not about 1v1 (hasn't really ever been), its about shoving and getting your botlane fed.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 30 2014 01:40 GMT
#1929
TF got nerfed in recent patch cuz of chalice nerf.
liftlift > tsm
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 30 2014 01:46 GMT
#1930
On June 30 2014 10:40 wei2coolman wrote:
TF got nerfed in recent patch cuz of chalice nerf.

You never needed chalice on Tf. l0l.
I still never get it and do fine. It's okay but i dont think its anywhere close to needed/necessary on him liek it is some other mids
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 01:54:02
June 30 2014 01:53 GMT
#1931
On June 30 2014 10:46 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 10:40 wei2coolman wrote:
TF got nerfed in recent patch cuz of chalice nerf.

You never needed chalice on Tf. l0l.
I still never get it and do fine. It's okay but i dont think its anywhere close to needed/necessary on him liek it is some other mids

It was one of the core first item people were going with tf as of pre 4.10 in some of his more fragile matchups. Usually it either lich start, zhonya start, deathcap start, or chalice. Chalice being nerfed makes it a lot harder to play him in some of the burstier matchups.
liftlift > tsm
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
June 30 2014 02:04 GMT
#1932
On June 30 2014 10:46 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 10:40 wei2coolman wrote:
TF got nerfed in recent patch cuz of chalice nerf.

You never needed chalice on Tf. l0l.
I still never get it and do fine. It's okay but i dont think its anywhere close to needed/necessary on him liek it is some other mids

I was oldschool TF and thought TF was fine too, until I try ogn chalice build.

Normally TF has to use almost all W on blue card in lane to sustain mana, but with chalice, he can red card+Q all days to clear the wave. He clears the wave so fast that it's hard for people to gank him. Moreover, the other mid is forced to stay in lane because the constant pressure, so TF has better chance to ultimate and help out other lane too. Chalice+soc boot can clear the wave pretty fast.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
June 30 2014 02:16 GMT
#1933
TF's 1v1 sucks but you're not gonna kill a full hp TF with Leona lol.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
June 30 2014 02:25 GMT
#1934
I only ever built chalice on TF if I was against some sort of pushing monster (aka Kayle). Double dring into sorc boots was my go to start.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 30 2014 02:34 GMT
#1935
On June 30 2014 11:04 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 10:46 arb wrote:
On June 30 2014 10:40 wei2coolman wrote:
TF got nerfed in recent patch cuz of chalice nerf.

You never needed chalice on Tf. l0l.
I still never get it and do fine. It's okay but i dont think its anywhere close to needed/necessary on him liek it is some other mids

I was oldschool TF and thought TF was fine too, until I try ogn chalice build.

Normally TF has to use almost all W on blue card in lane to sustain mana, but with chalice, he can red card+Q all days to clear the wave. He clears the wave so fast that it's hard for people to gank him. Moreover, the other mid is forced to stay in lane because the constant pressure, so TF has better chance to ultimate and help out other lane too. Chalice+soc boot can clear the wave pretty fast.

I tried it and didnt mind it but i didnt think it was good enough to change from the old build.
I can see its merit tho.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 30 2014 03:13 GMT
#1936
It's like all chalice/nonchalice builds.....

chalice came out and wasn't very commonly built at high level because "you don't need chalice just L2manage mana"

a year later everyone realizes that literally spamming every ability on CD is far stronger than never casting anything
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 30 2014 03:16 GMT
#1937
On June 30 2014 12:13 sob3k wrote:
It's like all chalice/nonchalice builds.....

chalice came out and wasn't very commonly built at high level because "you don't need chalice just L2manage mana"

a year later everyone realizes that literally spamming every ability on CD is far stronger than never casting anything

Remember when it gave 90 ap? Lol.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 30 2014 03:31 GMT
#1938
On June 30 2014 12:13 sob3k wrote:
It's like all chalice/nonchalice builds.....

chalice came out and wasn't very commonly built at high level because "you don't need chalice just L2manage mana"

a year later everyone realizes that literally spamming every ability on CD is far stronger than never casting anything


That has almost nothing to do with anything...People always knew Chalice was a great item for cost. The problem was it had no upgrade that was slot efficient + the old blue buff was much better, so it was kinda redundant once you got to that point.

Then Athenes came out (because people were complaining about Chalice and Vlad) and was a little expensive for its stats, then Athenes got buffed and was built by everyone and everything AP, then blue got nerfed, and both got nerfed, etc.

The misrepresentation of the evolution of post S2 LOL is increasingly becoming a pet peeve of mine...
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 30 2014 03:43 GMT
#1939
Chalice builds on TF was OK.

The CDR allows you to R more often and W more often in a teamfight. This is very significant to his damage/utility. Athene's first is also decent in a bad match up where you won't get to blue card very often.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
June 30 2014 04:26 GMT
#1940
On June 30 2014 12:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 12:13 sob3k wrote:
It's like all chalice/nonchalice builds.....

chalice came out and wasn't very commonly built at high level because "you don't need chalice just L2manage mana"

a year later everyone realizes that literally spamming every ability on CD is far stronger than never casting anything

Remember when it gave 90 ap? Lol.

I remember when it came out at 80AP and I thought it was dumb, then Riot buffed it. I couldn't believe it.
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