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I'd argue that Wukong's is worst too. Fiddlesticks at least is ranged.
And I knew you could do that to Vi right before she jumps into the air, didn't know about right before she starts dashing. Geez. ôo

K6's windup is too long imo, and early game jax before he starts getting AS, it's so painful,

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

June 27 2014 08:33 GMT

#1603

On June 27 2014 17:30 wei2coolman wrote:

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K6's windup is too long imo, and early game jax before he starts getting AS, it's so painful,

Kha'Zix windup is no issue thanks to how cheap Q is as an AA reset :>

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

June 27 2014 08:34 GMT

#1604

On June 27 2014 17:33 Fusilero wrote:

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Kha'Zix windup is no issue thanks to how cheap Q is as an AA reset :>

It is if you're just trying to CS in lane.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

June 27 2014 08:35 GMT

#1605

On June 27 2014 17:34 wei2coolman wrote:

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It is if you're just trying to CS in lane.

I personally had very few issues CSing in lane, then again when I played lane'zix I just waited for 6 and farmed my counterpart with Q evolve.
For me lulu has always been the hardest to CS, the passive throws me off and I end up hitting a minion just a bit too early.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

June 27 2014 08:48 GMT

#1606

Malphite has the absolute worst AA in the entire game. His base aspd is atrocious.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

June 27 2014 08:48 GMT

#1607

wtf? wukong's is great, he even had 50 extra range over other melee's. And he actually has AD...:p

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On June 27 2014 17:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Malphite has the absolute worst AA in the entire game. His base aspd is atrocious.

GAH it's so bad! I almost want to run AD marks because I can't effing CS with malphite...

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

June 27 2014 08:49 GMT

#1608

Nobody's is worse than Karthus. At least before the VU.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 27 2014 09:00 GMT

#1609

He's got better base AS than a bunch of ADs... and that Nautilus, coincidentally. Naut is saved by the fact that if you last hit it'll always be with his passive, which gives bonus damage and has a set animation which, while slow, is fairly predictable and readable. His standard animations are pretty clunky and i don't even know the precise damage point for some of them. His standard animations while W is active are rather good too.
Well, that's all for the purpose of last hitting anyway. When you want to hit another champion it becomes an entirely different matter...

Vi's animations are pretty meh, especially the one that triggers denting blows for the first time, it has very significant wind-up so it's better to trigger it with one ability instead (even the backswing on E is better). I've missed several kills on 50 HP people because of this, she just takes ages to reel her arm back before hitting and if they have flash or a dash or whatever (or if it's after your initial QautoE combo they can even walk away) then can get out of range and it'll interrupt. Nowhere near as bad as Nautilus obviously but after it happened 4 times in 2 games for me (3 in one, against a Kassadin) I got annoyed.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

June 27 2014 09:05 GMT

#1610

malph is terrible, I'd put it up there with prebuff fiddle and soraka.

Anivia at least has very long range autos, malph has to fight creep block and shitty animations.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

June 27 2014 09:10 GMT

#1611

If you ever have to hold lane for a laner as sejuani, don't bother trying to cs with autos as you'll miss like half of them. Been playing Dota all day today and sejuani's csing abilties without some AP and a Q/E combo are atrocious by dota standards (at least for me, maybe my standards are lower for dota cs).

Gahlo

United States35143 Posts

June 27 2014 09:34 GMT

#1612

New Cait splash. Uhm... I can't think.
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obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

June 27 2014 09:36 GMT

#1613

On June 27 2014 18:34 Gahlo wrote:
New Cait splash. Uhm... I can't think.
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iG9xUr2eTR4/U6z2iAOdshI/AAAAAAAASdo/J7IS8TvDkwg/s1600/Caitlyn_Splash_0.jpg

Since when did Caitlyn have blue hair? Dis outrage!

Gahlo

United States35143 Posts

June 27 2014 09:47 GMT

#1614

On June 27 2014 18:36 obesechicken13 wrote:

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Since when did Caitlyn have blue hair? Dis outrage!

They're clearly going for black.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

June 27 2014 10:53 GMT

#1615

On June 27 2014 18:36 obesechicken13 wrote:

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Since when did Caitlyn have blue hair? Dis outrage!

Actually, Caaitlyn always had blue hair.... for her in game model.

You can argue that it is her splash that is wrong.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

June 27 2014 12:21 GMT

#1616

On June 27 2014 17:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Malphite has the absolute worst AA in the entire game. His base aspd is atrocious.

Didn't you play morgana?How can you say she has a better AA than malph lol?Lets not forget other crowd favourites such as rumble,vladimir,elise in human,fiddle and some others.Karthus never really uses AA but I guess his is pretty bad too.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 27 2014 12:33 GMT

#1617

Morgana's, Fiddlesticks' and Karthus' animation were all redone at one point or another (Morgana's was during the summer, around 2-3 weeks before she became popular, not sure if it was the patch where competitive started picking her or the previous one).

Looking at the wiki, it was the patch that made her popular:

V1.0.0.123:

Updated Morgana's autoattack to feel more responsive and increased its missile speed.
Movement speed increased to 310 from 300.
Dark Binding
- Cooldown reduced to 11 seconds from 12.
Tormented Soil
- Mana cost reduced to 70/85/100/115/130 from 70/90/110/130/150.
Soul Shackles
- Time prior to stun reduced to 3 seconds from 4.
- Stun duration adjusted to 1.5 seconds at all ranks from 1/1.5/2.
- Cooldown reduced to 120/110/100 seconds from 120 at all ranks.

Oh, and for those of you who thought she had it easy after that:

V3.13:

General
- Her attacks are now more responsive.
Stats
- Attack range increased to 450 from 425.
- Base attack speed increased to 0.625 from 0.579.

(And apart from W and R mana costs and Black Shield range when they hit the cd, she only received nerfs and bugfixes ever since the "popular" patch.

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Imagine lowest MS, 425 range, the worst AS tied in the game, slow projectile speed, and tied with Fiddle for 2nd worst auto animation after Karthus. Add in 130+ mana W. She could push hard if you let her, but multiple picks were better at it than her at the time (Malzahar, Mordekaiser, Gragas, Veigar/Vladimir/Janna once they got enough AP, Galio with Chalice, Anivia with blue obviously (could have with chalice but it wasn't popular at the time)) and others could at least tie her (Orianna and Brand with enough AP, Lux with blue or chalice (same as Anivia, wasn't built), etc.).
But people were as blind-sided as ever since and decided that she was "press W win lane". :')