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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 00:02:43
June 27 2014 00:02 GMT
#1581
On June 27 2014 08:40 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 08:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On June 27 2014 07:45 Nemireck wrote:
On an unrelated note, currently being drophacked and totally attempting the "click for 30 minutes" method someone posted earlier in this thread. Will report back when I'm done wasting my life clicking a frozen screen.

EDIT: Alright, so I gave it 40 minutes and screen is still frozen. Going to go ahead and call hoax on that drop hack "fix" that was posted earlier.

it doesn't really "fix" the drop hack. what it does is it prevents you from actually getting dropped in the hopes that the hackers will give up trying to drop you from the game.

Which is also a really dickish move cause nobody else can go in next* game too.

SO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTSDROPHACKERS TO WIN?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 27 2014 00:22 GMT
#1582
On June 27 2014 09:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 08:40 nafta wrote:
On June 27 2014 08:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On June 27 2014 07:45 Nemireck wrote:
On an unrelated note, currently being drophacked and totally attempting the "click for 30 minutes" method someone posted earlier in this thread. Will report back when I'm done wasting my life clicking a frozen screen.

EDIT: Alright, so I gave it 40 minutes and screen is still frozen. Going to go ahead and call hoax on that drop hack "fix" that was posted earlier.

it doesn't really "fix" the drop hack. what it does is it prevents you from actually getting dropped in the hopes that the hackers will give up trying to drop you from the game.

Which is also a really dickish move cause nobody else can go in next* game too.

SO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTSDROPHACKERS TO WIN?

Spoiler alert
+ Show Spoiler +
They already did
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 01:47:19
June 27 2014 01:43 GMT
#1583
Wrong thread
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 27 2014 02:22 GMT
#1584
Is Annie a counterpick to kayle? Just had a game where I played kayle and while I could push her under tower after a few levels she would out trade me. I was already pretty tired so I am not sure if I just misplayed or if she actually is hard to outplay as kayle. If she is sort of a counterpick I might reconsider playing Annie again
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 27 2014 02:30 GMT
#1585
kayle ult should make annie pretty useless imo
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 27 2014 02:31 GMT
#1586
Because Annie's stun is instant she is strong against any mid laner who needs time to react or who is susceptible to counter burst (she can be effective against Morg support because of this as well). Kayle needs this time to react because going invuln after Annie has let her burst off isn't valuable.

On the other hand Kayle out farms her and like veigar Annie is easy to deal with by purchasing BV. I am not sure how relatively soon you can get BV on Kayle in order to beat Annie. But that is the general conceptual issue post 6 or so Annie (especially if not starved) should be very difficult to deal with as Kayle
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 27 2014 02:54 GMT
#1587
Its kind of a shame that Annie just creates such unhealthy situations, because I like the idea of a ranged-hard-engage support that isn't stupid Sona. But, Annie support is basically just a ranged Taric till 6, and its not good to have those kind of characters be viable.
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 27 2014 03:08 GMT
#1588
I played against an Annie support yesterday. He started W, but didn't charge it before coming to lane. It took like 6 minutes before he figured out he should be charging it. This was in diamond 1.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 03:14:28
June 27 2014 03:09 GMT
#1589
On June 27 2014 11:30 Nos- wrote:
kayle ult should make annie pretty useless imo


It sounds like it should but it's the same reason that Kayle ult doesn't negate Veigar.

1) you can't ult if you're stunned If you die before the stun ends you never get a chance to invuln.

2) if you attempt it presumptively she bursts someone else.

Kayle ult only really works if you predict Annie's stun or if you're not the one getting stunned both if which Annie can play around and exploit.

Edit: it's also why Annie is dangerous against Morg. You can't black shield it if it's instant.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 04:21:27
June 27 2014 04:20 GMT
#1590
Malzahar counters the piss out of Kayle, she can't answer your combo at all in lane, she just dies before she can ult, and you can use the 2.5s suppress to tie down whoever she ults so that they're useless anyways (obviously if there isn't a priority target you would rather ult instead).

I even pick jungle Malzahar into Kayle lanes specifically to use my ult to nullify hers, but I'm a bit of a Malz fanatic so you probably shouldn't do that.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 27 2014 04:54 GMT
#1591
On June 27 2014 13:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Malzahar counters the piss out of Kayle, she can't answer your combo at all in lane, she just dies before she can ult, and you can use the 2.5s suppress to tie down whoever she ults so that they're useless anyways (obviously if there isn't a priority target you would rather ult instead).


My ranked 5 team has been using Malz a lot lately, actually. He is quite good against a lot of really popular stuff right now.

The Ori/Lulu (or even both)+Diver, Rengar, Yasuo, Saraka, as you said Kayle. These guys try to engage, and then their tank gets locked up and killed without their wombo combo to work and then they get counter engaged upon. Yasuo tries to do like anything and just dies, Rengar can't burst an AD near as fast as Malz can press R due to the "!", Soraka can't heal things hard when she locked up either.

He has a real hard time in a few mid popular mid matchups (LB / Syndra) though, but even if he struggles through things in the early game he is great against all these popular threats. That being said we've been experimenting with him simply as a support, and its alright... the lane presence really isn't there. He is great in 2v1 lanes though... like pushes hard, gets lots of quick gold from that AP gold item with his one dot, and his Voidlings make him take towers quick.

He makes Ashe a really safe pick, actually. You need him in a solo lane in that situation though.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 27 2014 05:14 GMT
#1592
I've been good with Vel koz lately even when i play drunk and miss most of my abilities i can find a way to win lane. he seems pretty good right now, though maybe im just better at him than my opponents are at their champions, or there is a trick to the matchups they don't know.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
June 27 2014 06:11 GMT
#1593
yo is it just me or does malphite have the worst/slowest aa animation ever

qq.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 27 2014 06:29 GMT
#1594
On June 27 2014 15:11 Complete wrote:
yo is it just me or does malphite have the worst/slowest aa animation ever

qq.

better than fiddlesticks
liftlift > tsm
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
June 27 2014 06:45 GMT
#1595
Alaric, just for you:

@miicah88
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 06:54:30
June 27 2014 06:52 GMT
#1596
lololol

as soon as I saw that happen I knew it was gonna end up on reddit
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 27 2014 07:09 GMT
#1597
On June 27 2014 13:54 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 13:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Malzahar counters the piss out of Kayle, she can't answer your combo at all in lane, she just dies before she can ult, and you can use the 2.5s suppress to tie down whoever she ults so that they're useless anyways (obviously if there isn't a priority target you would rather ult instead).


My ranked 5 team has been using Malz a lot lately, actually. He is quite good against a lot of really popular stuff right now.

The Ori/Lulu (or even both)+Diver, Rengar, Yasuo, Saraka, as you said Kayle. These guys try to engage, and then their tank gets locked up and killed without their wombo combo to work and then they get counter engaged upon. Yasuo tries to do like anything and just dies, Rengar can't burst an AD near as fast as Malz can press R due to the "!", Soraka can't heal things hard when she locked up either.

He has a real hard time in a few mid popular mid matchups (LB / Syndra) though, but even if he struggles through things in the early game he is great against all these popular threats. That being said we've been experimenting with him simply as a support, and its alright... the lane presence really isn't there. He is great in 2v1 lanes though... like pushes hard, gets lots of quick gold from that AP gold item with his one dot, and his Voidlings make him take towers quick.

He makes Ashe a really safe pick, actually. You need him in a solo lane in that situation though.


I have yet to play Malz vs LB mid since the removal of her silence, but it was never really an issue since if you catch her with ult+pool (don't even really need visions on her) she is pretty dead, but she would have to be braindead to ever be on top of your pool.

Syndra is definitely the worst matchup I've played. Only one harder is Tryndamere. Fuck that champion.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 27 2014 07:16 GMT
#1598
On June 27 2014 15:52 Dusty wrote:
lololol

as soon as I saw that happen I knew it was gonna end up on reddit

get rekt, that was hilarious.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 27 2014 07:40 GMT
#1599
On June 27 2014 15:45 miicah wrote:
Alaric, just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYdksDd_dco

Looking at that video I checked InvertedComposer's lolking, his new thing is now yorick?
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 27 2014 08:23 GMT
#1600
On June 27 2014 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 15:11 Complete wrote:
yo is it just me or does malphite have the worst/slowest aa animation ever

qq.

better than fiddlesticks

I'd argue that Wukong's is worst too. Fiddlesticks at least is ranged.
And I knew you could do that to Vi right before she jumps into the air, didn't know about right before she starts dashing. Geez. ôo
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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