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Current BT is already almost there when it comes to buying it on Riven, it's just the cost point and the weird buying that makes it not as good as Tiamat/Hydra, with a much smoother build path. If you get fed enough, Tiamat/Hydra + BT is pretty dumb OP on her as-is, as you get like a 500-point shield with her E + BT passive, not to mention that as you do your combo you're building more shield from BT as the enemy team tries to pop you before you can get your burst combo off. If they put the new BT from PBE on live as-is, I think you'll see Riven come back as fotm solo Q, potentially even pro play for top laners like Zion who can carry with a champ like her.
I think we'd probably see the build on that go Tiamat > BT > Brutalizer + CDR boots, and just watch her dash around, bursting nerds down with the Tiamat active.
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On June 27 2014 07:14 Kinie wrote:
Current BT is already almost there when it comes to buying it on Riven, it's just the cost point and the weird buying that makes it not as good as Tiamat/Hydra, with a much smoother build path. If you get fed enough, Tiamat/Hydra + BT is pretty dumb OP on her as-is, as you get like a 500-point shield with her E + BT passive, not to mention that as you do your combo you're building more shield from BT as the enemy team tries to pop you before you can get your burst combo off. If they put the new BT from PBE on live as-is, I think you'll see Riven come back as fotm solo Q, potentially even pro play for top laners like Zion who can carry with a champ like her.
I think we'd probably see the build on that go Tiamat > BT > Brutalizer + CDR boots, and just watch her dash around, bursting nerds down with the Tiamat active.
Tiamat/BT start gets you immediately shut down by armor stackers unless you're snowballing out of control.
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On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:
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Exactly.
It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not.
I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there.
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On June 27 2014 07:21 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:14 Kinie wrote:
Current BT is already almost there when it comes to buying it on Riven, it's just the cost point and the weird buying that makes it not as good as Tiamat/Hydra, with a much smoother build path. If you get fed enough, Tiamat/Hydra + BT is pretty dumb OP on her as-is, as you get like a 500-point shield with her E + BT passive, not to mention that as you do your combo you're building more shield from BT as the enemy team tries to pop you before you can get your burst combo off. If they put the new BT from PBE on live as-is, I think you'll see Riven come back as fotm solo Q, potentially even pro play for top laners like Zion who can carry with a champ like her.
I think we'd probably see the build on that go Tiamat > BT > Brutalizer + CDR boots, and just watch her dash around, bursting nerds down with the Tiamat active. Tiamat/BT start gets you immediately shut down by armor stackers unless you're snowballing out of control.
So what, get Brutalizer into Tiamat/BT into LW?
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On June 27 2014 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:
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Exactly.
It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive. There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo.
I did say "from my experience".
And honestly it's not really hard to imagine. Am I the only one who's ever had a duo botlane that lost their lane and complained about their jungler or the ennemy mid roaming? Because I've seen it way more than once (whether or not it's a legetimate complain). But I have also seen it way more than once if my botlane is made of two soloqueuers.
But if you get the opposite outcome (my botlane is stomping), they will often exchange "gj" or something similar if they are both solo. If it's a duo they have no reason to congratulate each other in game chat when they're already using teamspeak to talk to each other.
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On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:
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I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there.
Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed. Duo's don't really change this variance tbh. Even if they're toxic they could have just as easily been toxic solo queuers. The claim of duo's carrying or feeding is just silly to me since it's all shit we've seen in games without duos and shit happens just as frequently. There's always going to be the tards that pick vayne into caitlyn and die 20 times in lane. And there's always going to be the guy who picks yi jungle and single handidly carries your team to victory. Duo's don't change these experiences from happening.
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On June 27 2014 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:
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Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there. Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed.
I stopped reading here because you're falling into the same strawman argument that Jimmi is.
NOBODY is talking about random feeders or carries. What is it about this discussion that makes you continue to bring that up? We're talking about the gaming environment that is created. Either through toxic duos begging for bot lane and acting toxic in-game when they don't get it, or by the shitty games that are created when The system matches 5 Gold 5's with 3 Gold 5's a Silver 5, and a Plat 5 to "balance the teams." In the first case, it's simply a toxic game like any other with a dickhead or two being shitheads except it's exacerbated by the fact that you now have TWO shitheads to start. In the second it creates shitty games because, win or lose, the game is often a complete stomp and the teams aren't ACTUALLY fair.
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On June 27 2014 07:31 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:
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I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive. There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo. I did say "from my experience". And honestly it's not really hard to imagine. Am I the only one who's ever had a duo botlane that lost their lane and complained about their jungler or the ennemy mid roaming? Because I've seen it way more than once (whether or not it's a legetimate complain). But I have also seen it way more than once if my botlane is made of two soloqueuers. But if you get the opposite outcome (my botlane is stomping), they will often exchange "gj" or something similar if they are both solo. If it's a duo they have no reason to congratulate each other in game chat when they're already using teamspeak to talk to each other.
That shit happens all the fucking time even without duos. I'll fucking gank bot twice get them rolling with 4 kills before the 6 minute mark. And then my toplane is feeding like mad and raging that I didn't gank his lane. Like I said before. All these supposed duo experiences you guys describe are all normal situations that play out in soloqueue games without duos.
On June 27 2014 07:35 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:
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The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't.
Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time.
Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there. Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed. I stopped reading here because you're falling into the same strawman argument that Jimmi is. NOBODY is talking about random feeders or carries. What is it about this discussion that makes you continue to bring that up? We're talking about the gaming environment that is created. Either through toxic duos begging for bot lane and acting toxic in-game when they don't get it, or by the shitty games that are created when The system matches 5 Gold 5's with 3 Gold 5's a Silver 5, and a Plat 5 to "balance the teams." In the first case, it's simply a toxic game like any other with a dickhead or two being shitheads, in the second it creates shitty games because, win or lose, the game is often a complete stomp and the teams aren't ACTUALLY fair.
That's implying scores don't influence environment. and also the earlier arguments were talking about how duos can create wonky games with either 1 guy hard carrying or the other dude being an anchor.
The toxic shit applies to solo queue and duo. I haven't heard anything worse from duos than I have from solo queue idiots.
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On June 27 2014 07:25 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:21 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 07:14 Kinie wrote:
Current BT is already almost there when it comes to buying it on Riven, it's just the cost point and the weird buying that makes it not as good as Tiamat/Hydra, with a much smoother build path. If you get fed enough, Tiamat/Hydra + BT is pretty dumb OP on her as-is, as you get like a 500-point shield with her E + BT passive, not to mention that as you do your combo you're building more shield from BT as the enemy team tries to pop you before you can get your burst combo off. If they put the new BT from PBE on live as-is, I think you'll see Riven come back as fotm solo Q, potentially even pro play for top laners like Zion who can carry with a champ like her.
I think we'd probably see the build on that go Tiamat > BT > Brutalizer + CDR boots, and just watch her dash around, bursting nerds down with the Tiamat active. Tiamat/BT start gets you immediately shut down by armor stackers unless you're snowballing out of control. So what, get Brutalizer into Tiamat/BT into LW?
Yeah, that's probably the best avenue for an early BT, idk. Haven't played around with it much.
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On June 27 2014 07:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:31 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:
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Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive. There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo. I did say "from my experience". And honestly it's not really hard to imagine. Am I the only one who's ever had a duo botlane that lost their lane and complained about their jungler or the ennemy mid roaming? Because I've seen it way more than once (whether or not it's a legetimate complain). But I have also seen it way more than once if my botlane is made of two soloqueuers. But if you get the opposite outcome (my botlane is stomping), they will often exchange "gj" or something similar if they are both solo. If it's a duo they have no reason to congratulate each other in game chat when they're already using teamspeak to talk to each other. That shit happens all the fucking time even without duos. I'll fucking gank bot twice get them rolling with 4 kills before the 6 minute mark. And then my toplane is feeding like mad and raging that I didn't gank his lane. Like I said before. All these supposed duo experiences you guys describe are all normal situations that play out in soloqueue games without duos. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:35 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:
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Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much.
Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous.
Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there. Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed. I stopped reading here because you're falling into the same strawman argument that Jimmi is. NOBODY is talking about random feeders or carries. What is it about this discussion that makes you continue to bring that up? We're talking about the gaming environment that is created. Either through toxic duos begging for bot lane and acting toxic in-game when they don't get it, or by the shitty games that are created when The system matches 5 Gold 5's with 3 Gold 5's a Silver 5, and a Plat 5 to "balance the teams." In the first case, it's simply a toxic game like any other with a dickhead or two being shitheads, in the second it creates shitty games because, win or lose, the game is often a complete stomp and the teams aren't ACTUALLY fair. That implying scores don't influence environment. and also the earlier arguments were talking about how duos can create wonk games with either 1 guy hard carrying or the other dude being an anchor. The toxic shit applies to solo queue vs duo. I haven't heard anything worse from duos than I have from solo queue idiots.
I don't know if you even bothered reading my post before answering. You basically said using voice over program happens just as often for solo than it does for duo. Can you prove that?
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On an unrelated note, currently being drophacked and totally attempting the "click for 30 minutes" method someone posted earlier in this thread. Will report back when I'm done wasting my life clicking a frozen screen.
EDIT: Alright, so I gave it 40 minutes and screen is still frozen. Going to go ahead and call hoax on that drop hack "fix" that was posted earlier.
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On June 27 2014 07:43 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:36 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:31 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:
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The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't.
Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time.
Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive. There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo. I did say "from my experience". And honestly it's not really hard to imagine. Am I the only one who's ever had a duo botlane that lost their lane and complained about their jungler or the ennemy mid roaming? Because I've seen it way more than once (whether or not it's a legetimate complain). But I have also seen it way more than once if my botlane is made of two soloqueuers. But if you get the opposite outcome (my botlane is stomping), they will often exchange "gj" or something similar if they are both solo. If it's a duo they have no reason to congratulate each other in game chat when they're already using teamspeak to talk to each other. That shit happens all the fucking time even without duos. I'll fucking gank bot twice get them rolling with 4 kills before the 6 minute mark. And then my toplane is feeding like mad and raging that I didn't gank his lane. Like I said before. All these supposed duo experiences you guys describe are all normal situations that play out in soloqueue games without duos. On June 27 2014 07:35 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:
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The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there. Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed. I stopped reading here because you're falling into the same strawman argument that Jimmi is. NOBODY is talking about random feeders or carries. What is it about this discussion that makes you continue to bring that up? We're talking about the gaming environment that is created. Either through toxic duos begging for bot lane and acting toxic in-game when they don't get it, or by the shitty games that are created when The system matches 5 Gold 5's with 3 Gold 5's a Silver 5, and a Plat 5 to "balance the teams." In the first case, it's simply a toxic game like any other with a dickhead or two being shitheads, in the second it creates shitty games because, win or lose, the game is often a complete stomp and the teams aren't ACTUALLY fair. That implying scores don't influence environment. and also the earlier arguments were talking about how duos can create wonk games with either 1 guy hard carrying or the other dude being an anchor. The toxic shit applies to solo queue vs duo. I haven't heard anything worse from duos than I have from solo queue idiots. I don't know if you even bothered reading my post before answering. You basically said using voice over program happens just as other for solo than it does for duo. Can you prove that?
I don't understand how them congradulating each other over voice over affects the game negatively..... as that seems to be the main concern.
Also. Curse voice.
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On June 27 2014 07:45 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:43 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 07:36 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:31 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:
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Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much.
Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous.
Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive. There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo. I did say "from my experience". And honestly it's not really hard to imagine. Am I the only one who's ever had a duo botlane that lost their lane and complained about their jungler or the ennemy mid roaming? Because I've seen it way more than once (whether or not it's a legetimate complain). But I have also seen it way more than once if my botlane is made of two soloqueuers. But if you get the opposite outcome (my botlane is stomping), they will often exchange "gj" or something similar if they are both solo. If it's a duo they have no reason to congratulate each other in game chat when they're already using teamspeak to talk to each other. That shit happens all the fucking time even without duos. I'll fucking gank bot twice get them rolling with 4 kills before the 6 minute mark. And then my toplane is feeding like mad and raging that I didn't gank his lane. Like I said before. All these supposed duo experiences you guys describe are all normal situations that play out in soloqueue games without duos. On June 27 2014 07:35 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 07:23 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:
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And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues. I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's. People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not. I also imagine that the problem is seen less at higher ELO's. I'm not exactly certain how the system works but you don't, for instance, see a Plat 5 and a Silver 5 placed in a game with Plat 5's, they get placed with Gold 5's. So as a plat player, you simply don't see the same wide disparity in skill that lower ELO's do. (And for that matter, based on my experience against both silvers and plat/diamond players, the skill gap between a gold player and a silver is much larger than a gold and plat player, so "wide" gaps aren't as influential the higher you climb of the duos that you DO see in higher ELOs where there is still a large ranking gap). Moreover, the higher you climb the ladder, the less people whine and bitch about position. Yes, dickheads will be dickheads, but bronze was twice as bad pre-game compared to silver, which was significantly worse than gold for pre-game bitching about position. Players who are higher on the ladder are simply more willing to fill and respect pick order... it's probably one of the reasons they are there. Regardless of elo. People will randomly carry or randomly feed. I stopped reading here because you're falling into the same strawman argument that Jimmi is. NOBODY is talking about random feeders or carries. What is it about this discussion that makes you continue to bring that up? We're talking about the gaming environment that is created. Either through toxic duos begging for bot lane and acting toxic in-game when they don't get it, or by the shitty games that are created when The system matches 5 Gold 5's with 3 Gold 5's a Silver 5, and a Plat 5 to "balance the teams." In the first case, it's simply a toxic game like any other with a dickhead or two being shitheads, in the second it creates shitty games because, win or lose, the game is often a complete stomp and the teams aren't ACTUALLY fair. That implying scores don't influence environment. and also the earlier arguments were talking about how duos can create wonk games with either 1 guy hard carrying or the other dude being an anchor. The toxic shit applies to solo queue vs duo. I haven't heard anything worse from duos than I have from solo queue idiots. I don't know if you even bothered reading my post before answering. You basically said using voice over program happens just as other for solo than it does for duo. Can you prove that? I don't understand how them congradulating each other over voice over affects the game negatively..... as that seems to be the main concern. Also. Curse voice.
You asked me if I had proof that duoqueuers would sometimes keep the positive things for themselves in situations where solo would more likely say those things. I came up with an example. Why are you pretending it's about something else?
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Are we really making an issue out of duoQers not saying "gj" or "wp" as often in teamchat? holy shit
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Next thing you know, you got reported for Negative Attitude for not saying gj wp in chat.
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This is the stupidest argument since the one about what 'pubstomper' means.
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That toxic trio making fun of me 
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TL really should remove trioqueue. Toxic af.
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On June 27 2014 07:45 Nemireck wrote:
On an unrelated note, currently being drophacked and totally attempting the "click for 30 minutes" method someone posted earlier in this thread. Will report back when I'm done wasting my life clicking a frozen screen.
EDIT: Alright, so I gave it 40 minutes and screen is still frozen. Going to go ahead and call hoax on that drop hack "fix" that was posted earlier.
it doesn't really "fix" the drop hack. what it does is it prevents you from actually getting dropped in the hopes that the hackers will give up trying to drop you from the game.
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On June 27 2014 08:37 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:45 Nemireck wrote:
On an unrelated note, currently being drophacked and totally attempting the "click for 30 minutes" method someone posted earlier in this thread. Will report back when I'm done wasting my life clicking a frozen screen.
EDIT: Alright, so I gave it 40 minutes and screen is still frozen. Going to go ahead and call hoax on that drop hack "fix" that was posted earlier. it doesn't really "fix" the drop hack. what it does is it prevents you from actually getting dropped in the hopes that the hackers will give up trying to drop you from the game.
Which is also a really dickish move cause nobody else can go in next* game too.
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