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Goumindong
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Gahlo
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On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote: I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Cuz the usual 4-item was PD/BT/LW/IE. They probably felt that the nerf to BT hurt this late game timing, so they wanted to adjust it so it became relevant again. I should have separated my riven statement, I didn't mean it as a direct problem, just a fringe case of where BT can be insanely powerful on a champion due to their build. | ||
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kongoline
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Nos-
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 27 2014 02:28 ghrur wrote: Vayne is the best. Don't hate on Vayne.  Vayne is who you play when you are diamond against gold, not the opposite. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:27 kongoline wrote: no they are going to buff adc while nerfing every bruiser + their items and bring back s2 all over again ... you w0t m8? If this change goes through, the end game build from like 4.9 to PBE BT, is like 15AD total in endgame for most ADC builds? IE/BT/LW/PD? +8 bonus AD from IE +8 Bonus from BT +4B bonus from LW +10 from IE buff +2 bonus from runes/masteries. As compared to the +20 to old BT? On June 27 2014 03:32 Nos- wrote: i'm not entirely sure adc is in a great place at the moment with the new 4.10 changes but it's hard to tell given how recent the changes have been Well right now with 4.10, Twitch and Kog are easily tier-1 ADC's. In competitive, I could definitely see most ADC's consider it a nerf, since the 1 item timing is so important in competitive, and having them delay that timing so significantly, and having it be overall weaker is pretty damn painful. In solo queue it probably doesn't matter as much, since people don't group til like 3 items. | ||
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kongoline
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote: I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently You mean divergently, and the answer is no, they will not. This is both because riot isn't close to making divergent stacking bonuses and because Riven's passive doesn't increase bonus attack damage To make things simple in order for these types of things to diverge the series of bonuses has to not converge to zero. In order for that to happen the difference equation of the series has to have a total coefficient equal to or greater than 1*. If i recall my difference equations correctly. If you combined BT and Zed's passive you get a total coefficient of .35, which is not close to diverging. *simplified, there can be other structures but we won't see them. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:44 kongoline wrote: u forget that bortk, IE,berserker,scimitar got buffed too while omen got nerfed, also bigger midgame relevance means its a lot easier to get fed as adc and hit 6item where u outscale pretty much everyone scimitar still blows quite a bit. so apparently a group of koreans are pretty salty that Riot is doing a traveling group stage? | ||
TheYango
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:56 TheYango wrote: I assumed xes meant the % AD multiplier on Riven's ulti, not her passive. Still only .3 so not remotely close enough edit: I want to say it would actually be the average in this case since two .5 bonuses would be equivalent to B1= .5B0 which converges to zero. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:07 Ghost-z wrote: PBE Bloodthirster New Unique Passive: +10% bonus attack damage (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damagefrom buffs,items and masteries) Unique Passive's Shield value reduced to 50-350 from 50-440 Unique Passive's Shield decay time increased to 25 from 15 These changes should make BT rushing for most ADCs interesting because as soon as you start stacking that shield you'll have an immediate advantage in the lane. Wow Riven, Talon and Zed and a few others will get some significant increase in AD scaling. So it breaks even with the old fully stacked BT on AD at 200 bonus AD. At 300 bonus AD it'll provide 10 more AD. As far as duo queue goes I don't mind it but I remember a game where I was matched against a duo queue jungle/top and I just got the shit camped out of me. Like he knew my ward placement so he slid in from my blue, then dived top, then camped in lane brush so I would die after tping back. I wish the game would notify me of duos so I wouldn't have to go on lolnexus anymore. Had I known they were duos I'd have played much much safer for the risk of getting camped. That's not the only time a duo has been way more coordinated than expected at my level. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:50 Goumindong wrote: You mean divergently, and the answer is no, they will not. This is both because riot isn't close to making divergent stacking bonuses and because Riven's passive doesn't increase bonus attack damage No I meant as a convergent product series instead of simple addition, like Vlad's passive would if it didn't explicitly say "Vlad's passive does not benefit Vlad's passive" | ||
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Nos-
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
It's nothing special. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote: Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap I think the way its coded they precalculate how much bonus HP and bonus AP Vlad should get from base stuff, and then add those in. The problem is when there's a Deathcap it causes overflow bonus AP into bonus HP into bonus AP and then the initial flat value to discount is no longer accurate and you have some limit series of self-stacking. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 27 2014 04:37 Gahlo wrote: People going gaga over PBE BT need to remember that Hydra/BC/LW/BT+ ~20 from runes and masteries ~270AD. Have fun with your super amazing cool 7AD over stacking BT. It's nothing special. how'd you get 7? it's 10% isn't it? so that'd be 27 AD. It's not amazing, but not completely negligible lategame. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On June 27 2014 04:45 Ryuu314 wrote: how'd you get 7? it's 10% isn't it? so that'd be 27 AD. It's not amazing, but not completely negligible lategame. Because 20 of it brings PBE BT up to 100, matching stacking BT. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote: Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap Vlad passive does not stack with itself lol. | ||
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