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On June 27 2014 04:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:45 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 27 2014 04:37 Gahlo wrote:
People going gaga over PBE BT need to remember that Hydra/BC/LW/BT+ ~20 from runes and masteries ~270AD. Have fun with your super amazing cool 7AD over stacking BT.
It's nothing special. how'd you get 7? it's 10% isn't it? so that'd be 27 AD. It's not amazing, but not completely negligible lategame. Because 20 of it brings PBE BT up to 100, matching stacking BT.
It's actually 17, since IE got +10 boost in 4.10.
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On June 27 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote:
Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap Vlad passive does not stack with itself lol.
it SAYS it doesn't because the math is tweaked to be that amount after it stacks itself. but when you buy an item with hp or ap you can see the values jump up in 2 increments, implying it does stack with itself. unless thats been changed.
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On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive.
The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD
Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other.
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On June 27 2014 04:57 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other.
Should make for a hilarious video that hits the top of reddit before it gets PBE-patched.
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On June 27 2014 05:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:57 xes wrote:On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other. Should make for a hilarious video that hits the top of reddit before it gets PBE-patched.
Come on guys.Give riot a bit of credit.They always think about things before including them blindly.
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On June 27 2014 04:57 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other.
How do you get 80%.
Lets assume 100 bonus AD and 100 base AD to start.
Riven 200 -> 240
BT 240 -> 254
Riven -> 256.8
BT -> 257
Riven -> 257 and change
BT-> 257 and change
Riven ->258... maybe? i stopped calculating because there isn't chance its material anymore
It will only do really obscene things if it bugs out
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On June 27 2014 04:55 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote:
Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap Vlad passive does not stack with itself lol. it SAYS it doesn't because the math is tweaked to be that amount after it stacks itself. but when you buy an item with hp or ap you can see the values jump up in 2 increments, implying it does stack with itself. unless thats been changed.
Jumping in two increment means nothing. If you think it id wrong, play him in a custom game and verify, then come back to uß about the result.
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On June 27 2014 05:15 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 27 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote:
Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap Vlad passive does not stack with itself lol. it SAYS it doesn't because the math is tweaked to be that amount after it stacks itself. but when you buy an item with hp or ap you can see the values jump up in 2 increments, implying it does stack with itself. unless thats been changed. Jumping in two increment means nothing. If you think it id wrong, play him in a custom game and verify, then come back to uß about the result.
don't own him. im pretty sure the end math is the same, but they just included it stacking with itself in the % in the first place.
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On June 27 2014 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:46 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 04:45 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 27 2014 04:37 Gahlo wrote:
People going gaga over PBE BT need to remember that Hydra/BC/LW/BT+ ~20 from runes and masteries ~270AD. Have fun with your super amazing cool 7AD over stacking BT.
It's nothing special. how'd you get 7? it's 10% isn't it? so that'd be 27 AD. It's not amazing, but not completely negligible lategame. Because 20 of it brings PBE BT up to 100, matching stacking BT. It's actually 17, since IE got +10 boost in 4.10.
There is no IE in "Hydra/BC/LW/BT+ ~20 from runes and masteries."
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On June 27 2014 03:33 cLutZ wrote:Vayne is who you play when you are diamond against gold, not the opposite.
Vayne is who you play when you want to tumble around and suffer. I love Vayne <3.
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On June 27 2014 05:15 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 27 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:On June 27 2014 04:31 Nos- wrote:
Wait I thought Vlad's passive did proc off itself? Or was that deathcap Vlad passive does not stack with itself lol. it SAYS it doesn't because the math is tweaked to be that amount after it stacks itself. but when you buy an item with hp or ap you can see the values jump up in 2 increments, implying it does stack with itself. unless thats been changed. Jumping in two increment means nothing. If you think it id wrong, play him in a custom game and verify, then come back to uß about the result.
I'm pretty sure PrinceXizor is right. The wiki states that it sorta stacks with itself, but only when you have items/masteries like Deathcap and Juggernaut.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Vladimir
I'm also pretty sure it's been confirmed by a Rioter a couple years ago. Regardless, the self-stacking isn't that big a deal since it converges very quickly. You maybe get a "bonus" ~15 AP out of it per game.
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On June 27 2014 05:41 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:33 cLutZ wrote:On June 27 2014 02:28 ghrur wrote:Vayne is the best. Don't hate on Vayne.  Vayne is who you play when you are diamond against gold, not the opposite. Vayne is who you play when you want to tumble around and suffer. I love Vayne <3.
Who doesn't love a little vayne once in a while? I just don't like bad vayne!
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On June 27 2014 04:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:45 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 27 2014 04:37 Gahlo wrote:
People going gaga over PBE BT need to remember that Hydra/BC/LW/BT+ ~20 from runes and masteries ~270AD. Have fun with your super amazing cool 7AD over stacking BT.
It's nothing special. how'd you get 7? it's 10% isn't it? so that'd be 27 AD. It's not amazing, but not completely negligible lategame. Because 20 of it brings PBE BT up to 100, matching stacking BT.
It gives the shield too which isn't negligible.
AD scaling is too good to pass up I guess. Like in this game there are no ways for tanks to outscale ADC. Between LW and the sheer number of AD scaling factors, ADC are the late game bosses, so no one wants 80 AD BT.
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On June 27 2014 05:12 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:57 xes wrote:On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other. How do you get 80%. Lets assume 100 bonus AD and 100 base AD to start. Riven 200 -> 240 BT 240 -> 254 Riven -> 256.8 BT -> 257 Riven -> 257 and change BT-> 257 and change Riven ->258... maybe? i stopped calculating because there isn't chance its material anymore It will only do really obscene things if it bugs out
Yes. Because stuff like this has never happened before....
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On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 06:16 TheYango wrote:On June 26 2014 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
Most of the complaining about duos is the same as the complaining about everything. People seam to forget that the same thing happens on the other team too, and they also forget all the duos that do well.
Duo blaming is just another unfounded excuse to why a persons elo is lower then they think it should be without having to consider their own play and decisions as the reason. There was a similar discussion with regard to wide MMR variance in stacks in DotA, and honestly, the biggest argument against stacks with a wide rating difference isn't how they affect winrate--but how they affect game quality. Regardless of whether or not they make you win or lose, having one player that's far above everyone else's level and one that's far below has a higher likelihood of creating stompy games--either because the player who is way better does exceptionally well, or because the player who is way worse does exceptionally poorly. It doesn't matter if it happens to both sides--having games be really stompy because one player carries really hard or because one player feeds sucks regardless of the outcome. Having the duo on the enemy team is just as bad as having it on your team because a bad, stompy game is a bad, stompy game regardless of which team won. It's just not fun to be in a game like that, even if you're the winner. Exactly. It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy.
The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues.
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On June 27 2014 06:53 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 06:16 TheYango wrote:
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There was a similar discussion with regard to wide MMR variance in stacks in DotA, and honestly, the biggest argument against stacks with a wide rating difference isn't how they affect winrate--but how they affect game quality.
Regardless of whether or not they make you win or lose, having one player that's far above everyone else's level and one that's far below has a higher likelihood of creating stompy games--either because the player who is way better does exceptionally well, or because the player who is way worse does exceptionally poorly. It doesn't matter if it happens to both sides--having games be really stompy because one player carries really hard or because one player feeds sucks regardless of the outcome.
Having the duo on the enemy team is just as bad as having it on your team because a bad, stompy game is a bad, stompy game regardless of which team won. It's just not fun to be in a game like that, even if you're the winner. Exactly. It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. The fact that most duo queues whine for bot lane and create a toxic environment is not a personal issue. It's an issue with their mentality as a duo. The fact that duo queues with wide skill gaps create toxic games and negatively affect the matchmaking system is not a personal issue, it's an issue with the matchmaking system. That fact that you actually think I want to throw my computer through a wall because I was illustrating a point isn't a personal weakness, it's your inability to actually read what's being posted. Which of course is unsurprising considering it's taken you this long to drop your "you don't lose over duo queue" regurgitation after exactly NO ONE blamed a loss on duo queues.
I wouldn't say my experiences with duos are any worse or frequent than solo queue tbh... dickbags are going to be dickbags regardless if they have an enabler. The frequency of toxic duos doesn't feel like an increase of toxicity compared to regular solo queue games with no duo's.
People at all elo feed even if they're in the same elo. Just watch high elo streamers. Tons of feeders in lane that die like 8 times in lane despite being challenger elo, the same shit happens regardless of duo or not.
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On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 06:16 TheYango wrote:On June 26 2014 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
Most of the complaining about duos is the same as the complaining about everything. People seam to forget that the same thing happens on the other team too, and they also forget all the duos that do well.
Duo blaming is just another unfounded excuse to why a persons elo is lower then they think it should be without having to consider their own play and decisions as the reason. There was a similar discussion with regard to wide MMR variance in stacks in DotA, and honestly, the biggest argument against stacks with a wide rating difference isn't how they affect winrate--but how they affect game quality. Regardless of whether or not they make you win or lose, having one player that's far above everyone else's level and one that's far below has a higher likelihood of creating stompy games--either because the player who is way better does exceptionally well, or because the player who is way worse does exceptionally poorly. It doesn't matter if it happens to both sides--having games be really stompy because one player carries really hard or because one player feeds sucks regardless of the outcome. Having the duo on the enemy team is just as bad as having it on your team because a bad, stompy game is a bad, stompy game regardless of which team won. It's just not fun to be in a game like that, even if you're the winner. Exactly. It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy.
JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo?
I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive.
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On June 27 2014 05:12 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:57 xes wrote:On June 27 2014 03:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 27 2014 03:24 xes wrote:
I wonder if Riven's passive and Bloodthirster passive will stack convergently u wot m8? I think all % increases on AD and AP are additive. The reason why I picked Riven and not Zed is that Zed gains bonus AD as % bonus AD and BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD Riven gains bonus AD as % total AD, while BT gives bonus AD as % bonus AD, meaning there's more chance that something crazy happens. A quick calculation estimates that if they do interact weirdly we'll see somewhere between 40% and 80% bonus AD from the two stacking on each other. How do you get 80%. Lets assume 100 bonus AD and 100 base AD to start. Riven 200 -> 240 BT 240 -> 254 Riven -> 256.8 BT -> 257 Riven -> 257 and change BT-> 257 and change Riven ->258... maybe? i stopped calculating because there isn't chance its material anymore It will only do really obscene things if it bugs out
60 is a number between 40 and 80 ~_~
I got those numbers because the actual series is bounded below by 1/.7 and then I doubled that percentage for an upper bound
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On June 27 2014 07:05 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 27 2014 01:41 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 10:15 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 07:15 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:56 nafta wrote:On June 26 2014 06:54 JimmiC wrote:On June 26 2014 06:47 Nemireck wrote:On June 26 2014 06:16 TheYango wrote:
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There was a similar discussion with regard to wide MMR variance in stacks in DotA, and honestly, the biggest argument against stacks with a wide rating difference isn't how they affect winrate--but how they affect game quality.
Regardless of whether or not they make you win or lose, having one player that's far above everyone else's level and one that's far below has a higher likelihood of creating stompy games--either because the player who is way better does exceptionally well, or because the player who is way worse does exceptionally poorly. It doesn't matter if it happens to both sides--having games be really stompy because one player carries really hard or because one player feeds sucks regardless of the outcome.
Having the duo on the enemy team is just as bad as having it on your team because a bad, stompy game is a bad, stompy game regardless of which team won. It's just not fun to be in a game like that, even if you're the winner. Exactly. It's not about winning or losing because of Duos. The games are just toxic shitfests. I think the toxicity has nothing to do with the duo. It's more to do with he attitudes of the people in the game. I do think that when people lolnexus or whatever and see a duo they often let these preconceived notions effect the way they play and there attitudes. I'm played lots of games where the duos are fine, medium and normal. In fact way more then the other way. And I'm sure if you did some real statistical analysis you would find the same. Real problem with duo is it exists.It really shouldn't.Also you should have the option to not have duos in your games.It is pretty retarded that the only way for me to not have duos on my team is to duo myself. The option to not allow duos would be fine, but in reality people like to play ranked with there buddies and can't always get 5 together for a ranked team. If your diamond 1 and your getting some crazy situations keeping you from challenger I get the frustration. If your gold 4 and you think duo's are messing up your games, you need to look into the mirror and figure out what you can control instead of blaming outside influences that you can't. Not to mention it's a game, for fun, enjoy it. And you are in control of your own enjoyment, so don't blame others if you're not having a good time. Well actually these others do ruin my enjoyment.I am a supp/ad player.So I would rather play those 2.So when you consider the fact that most duos are duo bots and I can't get to play what I want and I watch them either 2v8 or play for enemy team that ruins my enjoyment.Generally I don't mind if I am lower pick to just go somewhere else but when some random people who just clicked invite before play start telling me that I should let them bot and if I don't the endless whine is just too much. Like literally the only reason I have started playing mostly duoq myself is so I don't have to deal with one on my team which is pretty ridiculous. Don't see how is my division relevant at all. The relevance of the division is that if you are no where close to going pro who cares about the occasional loss due to a bad duo. And again you revert to this "Who cares about the loss" argument when nobody is complaining about the loss at all. We're complaining about the environment created by duo Queues. You could win OR lose and still want to throw your computer through the fucking wall because of how shitty and toxic the game was. I would say, based on this response and your chat restrictions and so on, that the Toxic nature of your games is a internal issue not a duos issue. I play with just as many duos as you and don't have these issues. The same is true for lots of people here. The people that have these problems, it's their problems. I never want to throw my computer through a wall over a game of lol. I am baffled and laugh at people losing there shit to other randoms on the internet. Honestly bro, it's a personal weakness you need to work on, not some evil duoque conspiracy. JimmiC, how many ranked games did you play so far this season? How many were solo? I didn't get chat rescrited, I never got judged i the tribunal or got any warning and I also feel duo brings a lot of toxicity to the game. From my experience, duo mostly communicate when they want to flame/blame. They usually keep it to themselves in situation where soloQers would have been positive.
There's no way to prove your last statement. Unless you're saying you have played with the same person without a duo.
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