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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.
Enough is enough. Let's move along now.
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On June 08 2014 00:48 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 00:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 07 2014 23:19 Frolossus wrote:
i call bullshit on the statement that pro players bash/hate 1 trick ponies
most of them were 1 trick ponies back in season 1 to begin with ill try to name some off the top of my head wickd - irelia froggen - anivia snoopeh - amumu yellowpete - kog maw diamondprox - lee/udyr later shyvana aphroo/rekkles adc mains dyrus: singed///jax tabzz: fizz shook: lee sin doublelfit: blitz yellowstar - corki older pros saint - warwick oddone - olaf? rainman: teemo hotshot: nidalee shushei; gragas candypanda/nyph played like sona/ez bot a lot a lot i cant think of because they are newer and i know less about them, i think svenskeren was a big jungle j4 player notable versatile players include chauster and xpeke who played a variety or shit and have been consistently at the top level for a long time TOO played like nothing but Annie for a long ass time(like, all of beta and a lot of S1, I think he was still playing Annie on TT after he became a jungler main on SR). Regi and his Shaco could prob get tossed in as well(I don't know if he was known for a single champ in beta as Andy Dinh, wasn't playing then). Jatt retired quick but he was super attached to Udyr. There were a lot of 'signature' champs at the top of the ladder in pre-S1 and early S1, dudes that would've been the pros of that era if the scene had developed in time(ScarletDoom's Karthus, Grandjudge's Singed). Old man Neo might be able to pop in and add more.
You guys have it pretty much all covered. I tried making an OG list several years ago.
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don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^)
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On June 08 2014 00:26 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 00:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 07 2014 23:19 Frolossus wrote:
i call bullshit on the statement that pro players bash/hate 1 trick ponies
most of them were 1 trick ponies back in season 1 to begin with ill try to name some off the top of my head wickd - irelia froggen - anivia snoopeh - amumu yellowpete - kog maw diamondprox - lee/udyr later shyvana aphroo/rekkles adc mains dyrus: singed///jax tabzz: fizz shook: lee sin doublelfit: blitz yellowstar - corki older pros saint - warwick oddone - olaf? rainman: teemo hotshot: nidalee shushei; gragas candypanda/nyph played like sona/ez bot a lot a lot i cant think of because they are newer and i know less about them, i think svenskeren was a big jungle j4 player notable versatile players include chauster and xpeke who played a variety or shit and have been consistently at the top level for a long time chauster was ashe and shen xpeke was kassadin iircreginald was shaco/ezreal chaox was ezreal xpecial was ezreal dyrus was singed/jax jiji was orianna/aniviakobe was kat then amumu oddone did maokaiqtpie was mostly corki* and kog scarra was kat voyboy was akaliwestrice akali doublelift blitzcrank salce vlad jatt udyr even outside of the pros and just high elo names in general had their champs. most pros got to where they are on a few champs many many many high elo players got there season 1 with ezreal
xPeke has always played a lot of champions and Kassadin was his go-to champion for a while but it was not the champion that got him to be pro. I remember xPeke playing a LOT of Malzahar though back in the day.
Jiji was pretty much just Anivia, and maybe some TF, too? (he was one of the first great Orianna players but even then he had started to learn quite a few mid laners).
Oddone didn't start playing Maokai until fairly late and before that he played a lot of Olaf.
Didn't Voyboy get high rating way before he started playing Akali? Even though Akali was his go-to for a while?
A couple of others though:
NintendudeX: Olaf
Shushei: Gragas/Alistar
Bjergsen: Cassiopeia
DiamondProx: Udyr/Lee?
And I think that covers a big part of the one-trick ponies.
Edit: On June 08 2014 00:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Froggen may be an anivia god. But he's hardly a one trick pony. He's got the deepest champ pool of anyone in EU and plays them a level above everyone else....
Yellowpete's kog was never that good. Clg.eu just good at stalling so eventually even zoonie couldn't fail with 60 min farmed kog in s2.
We're not actually talking about players who are one-trick ponies but people who USED to play just 1 or 2 champions.
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jiji was the original beta TF. Anivia def came along later.
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top : renek/mundo
jungle : amumu
mid : syndra
adc : lucian/sivir
sup : morgana
-> i usually can't lose my lane with those champ, but it is harder to snowball than on more risky champs
Here is the risky list :
top : Xin
jungle : yi
mid : i never stomp my ennemy in mid
adc : vayne
support : still morgana.
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Yea I was sure there was something about Jiji TF.
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On June 08 2014 08:18 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 00:48 red_ wrote:On June 08 2014 00:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 07 2014 23:19 Frolossus wrote:
i call bullshit on the statement that pro players bash/hate 1 trick ponies
most of them were 1 trick ponies back in season 1 to begin with ill try to name some off the top of my head wickd - irelia froggen - anivia snoopeh - amumu yellowpete - kog maw diamondprox - lee/udyr later shyvana aphroo/rekkles adc mains dyrus: singed///jax tabzz: fizz shook: lee sin doublelfit: blitz yellowstar - corki older pros saint - warwick oddone - olaf? rainman: teemo hotshot: nidalee shushei; gragas candypanda/nyph played like sona/ez bot a lot a lot i cant think of because they are newer and i know less about them, i think svenskeren was a big jungle j4 player notable versatile players include chauster and xpeke who played a variety or shit and have been consistently at the top level for a long time TOO played like nothing but Annie for a long ass time(like, all of beta and a lot of S1, I think he was still playing Annie on TT after he became a jungler main on SR). Regi and his Shaco could prob get tossed in as well(I don't know if he was known for a single champ in beta as Andy Dinh, wasn't playing then). Jatt retired quick but he was super attached to Udyr. There were a lot of 'signature' champs at the top of the ladder in pre-S1 and early S1, dudes that would've been the pros of that era if the scene had developed in time(ScarletDoom's Karthus, Grandjudge's Singed). Old man Neo might be able to pop in and add more. You guys have it pretty much all covered. I tried making an OG list several years ago.
looking at that list makes me miss old LoL 
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Top: Aatrox and Shyv more recently.
Jungle: Amumu
Mid: Oriana
ADC: Lucian, but playing kog'maw a lot recently.
Supprot: Lulu
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On June 08 2014 08:10 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 07:42 arb wrote:On June 08 2014 07:30 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 06:41 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Conversely, can we agree on the existence on reverse free elo champs? Memory of previous discussions here would suggest not. Of course there are, just tl hipsterism likes to pretend it doesn't exist. Brand and Urgot would come to mind. Literally nothing wrong with Urgot or Brand if you arent a retard with them lol. That's weird, its almost like you are attacking a strawman (you are). Did I say they were terrible champions? No, I said that in order to gain ELO with them, you have to be better with those champions than you would have to be with another, more powerful, champion.
Using this logic, this goes for like 90% of the champion base.
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On June 08 2014 10:41 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 08:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 07:42 arb wrote:On June 08 2014 07:30 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 06:41 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Conversely, can we agree on the existence on reverse free elo champs? Memory of previous discussions here would suggest not. Of course there are, just tl hipsterism likes to pretend it doesn't exist. Brand and Urgot would come to mind. Literally nothing wrong with Urgot or Brand if you arent a retard with them lol. That's weird, its almost like you are attacking a strawman (you are). Did I say they were terrible champions? No, I said that in order to gain ELO with them, you have to be better with those champions than you would have to be with another, more powerful, champion. Using this logic, this goes for like 90% of the champion base.
Yes it does, and it's correct.
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Voyboy pretty much brought Renekton into competitive play and it disappeared when he stopped playing it.
Same for Jatt and Trundle although he was a very good udyr too. Jatt pretty much invented objective control and used Trundle to disengage from objectives after securing them first cos RS/Dig was the first team to get to an objective 10s before it spawned and ward the entrances.
Hotshot was nidalee, cho and jax mostly. Jiji back in his godtier days played anything mid and wrecked. He used to play Ashe and urgot, Anivia, TF, orianna etc. locodoco played trist. Elementz could only play sona. Gosu pepper was a sona play almost exclusively. Candypanda back when he was best adc outside China was mostly Vayne. Misaya was TF, weixiao was probably the first to showcase Vayne to a world class level.
Nobody can go pro by having 1-2 standout champs now though. Scene has matured and been brought closer together meta-wise.
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The khazix changes actually weren't that bad, he's a complete beast in a poke comp. His W gives him decent poke on squishy, waveclear and peel all in 1 spell. Pair him up with the current nidalee, and you got yourself a scary as fuck poke comp.
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On June 08 2014 10:41 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 08:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 07:42 arb wrote:On June 08 2014 07:30 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 06:41 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Conversely, can we agree on the existence on reverse free elo champs? Memory of previous discussions here would suggest not. Of course there are, just tl hipsterism likes to pretend it doesn't exist. Brand and Urgot would come to mind. Literally nothing wrong with Urgot or Brand if you arent a retard with them lol. That's weird, its almost like you are attacking a strawman (you are). Did I say they were terrible champions? No, I said that in order to gain ELO with them, you have to be better with those champions than you would have to be with another, more powerful, champion. Using this logic, this goes for like 90% of the champion base.
Yes, and I picked two champs that are fairly extreme examples of it. It isn't like I said two slightly suboptimal champs, those are good examples.
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It's not ridiculous at all. When it happens, it often just ruins the game for everyone else.
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imo its good assuming its using mmr insead of normal ladder ranking
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On June 08 2014 11:54 wei2coolman wrote:
The khazix changes actually weren't that bad, he's a complete beast in a poke comp. His W gives him decent poke on squishy, waveclear and peel all in 1 spell. Pair him up with the current nidalee, and you got yourself a scary as fuck poke comp.
What role would he play then? I doubt he could do this from the jungle... maybe go Kha top, some kind of tanky jungler that can initiate a fight, Nidalee mid, Lucian ADC and Nami support? I'd imagine tear/manamune would be required in such a build too. Would you go E-W-Q on the evolve path too?
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There's nothing ridiculous about it. It's a good move.
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On June 08 2014 12:24 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 10:41 JazzVortical wrote:On June 08 2014 08:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 07:42 arb wrote:On June 08 2014 07:30 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 06:41 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Conversely, can we agree on the existence on reverse free elo champs? Memory of previous discussions here would suggest not. Of course there are, just tl hipsterism likes to pretend it doesn't exist. Brand and Urgot would come to mind. Literally nothing wrong with Urgot or Brand if you arent a retard with them lol. That's weird, its almost like you are attacking a strawman (you are). Did I say they were terrible champions? No, I said that in order to gain ELO with them, you have to be better with those champions than you would have to be with another, more powerful, champion. Using this logic, this goes for like 90% of the champion base. Yes, and I picked two champs that are fairly extreme examples of it. It isn't like I said two slightly suboptimal champs, those are good examples.
I actually think Brand is a really poor example of this. He isn't an 'extreme' example at all.
Out of interest sake, who would you say does fit into that top 10%?
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