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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.

Enough is enough. Let's move along now.

-NeoIllusions
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 08 2014 07:39 GMT
#1001
AA allows for 50% stack speed. Since it's 6 per spell cast instead of 4. Azingy probably really prefers the fast seraphs for power spike. Karthus's needs early AP to start doing real damage. Getting sorc shoes before adequete AP is putting the cart before the horse. The sorc shoes aren't going to make a difference in clear speed.

Rylaiw not completely necessary. Since if you can land good wall it negates the need for rylais for a bit. It comes down to Seraphs being more core than Rylais.

Just some reasons as to why he values AA so highly.
liftlift > tsm
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
June 08 2014 07:45 GMT
#1002
On June 08 2014 15:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 15:11 JazzVortical wrote:
On June 08 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 08 2014 14:29 JazzVortical wrote:
On June 08 2014 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.

Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ.

doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6?

I don't see how it will kill it. Are you relying on that extra 5 mp5?

For me, I suspect I'll be going Morello instead of Grail in almost every case. I might try some tear based builds (e.g. Syndra loves CDR so that's a con, but she can stack a tear pretty quickly).

Well I guess Ketara's concern is lack of MR against lanes like syndra, and leblanc. I think it should be okay if you pick up heal as summoner. Or grab 2 pts into W before level 6.


Ah true. Even then, I don't think the MR makes much difference to Lux, given you have shield and you will almost always be taking a defensive summoner (Heal or exhaust). I'm guessing you won't need the MR much for late game either, you want the mana regen/CDR to spam from distance.

Of course I'm not a Lux player, but I've played against her a bunch of times.


40 mr is a ton with just 1 rank in shield. It's a pretty big drop in the upcoming patch, especially since some cdr blue runes are not uncommon in certain lux builds.


Oh absolutely, but I still think it will be pretty manageable for the Lux. Though I don't know why you'd run anything but MR blues in a Leblanc/Syndra/aggressive AP matchup.

Also on Karthus, his visual update was a raging success in my book. I really want to learn to play him. He looks awesome now.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6211 Posts
June 08 2014 07:46 GMT
#1003
Oh man I need to start playing againt x___X I decayed out of diamond.

Too much tournament watching, too little playtime...

I feel like scaling is core on karthus, you want to reach the point where your ulti does 20+% of the squishie's health through MR and you don't reach that point by delaying scaling items.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 08 2014 07:47 GMT
#1004
Karthus animation is broken right now. His q's are impossible to dodge now. All his particles are very feint so they're sorta hard to see.
liftlift > tsm
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
June 08 2014 09:33 GMT
#1005
On June 08 2014 12:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
How do you fight Akali as someone like Jayce? They picked a Kayle and an Akali so I had no idea who was mid and who was top. Akali just outtraded me once she reached 6 and all that poke 1-5 meant zippity shit.

At first I thought blue trinket would let me fight her in her shroud but it didn't reveal at all. D:

Just tower hug? I went 0-1 cuz I wanted to fight her early on but it didn't work.

oops doublepost sry
.


You'd have to play a LOT better than the Akali to beat her without succesful ganks and you need to harass her a ton pre-6.
In most cases you'd probably have to just start farming with empowered Q at some point.
wat
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
June 08 2014 10:21 GMT
#1006
On June 08 2014 18:33 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 12:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
How do you fight Akali as someone like Jayce? They picked a Kayle and an Akali so I had no idea who was mid and who was top. Akali just outtraded me once she reached 6 and all that poke 1-5 meant zippity shit.

At first I thought blue trinket would let me fight her in her shroud but it didn't reveal at all. D:

Just tower hug? I went 0-1 cuz I wanted to fight her early on but it didn't work.

oops doublepost sry
.


You'd have to play a LOT better than the Akali to beat her without succesful ganks and you need to harass her a ton pre-6.
In most cases you'd probably have to just start farming with empowered Q at some point.


Harassing akali until 6 has no effect whatsoever. She will get her farm anyway, opponent goes roaming or your jungle babysits, or simply by roaming herself. To handle a potent akali your team needs to stay focused throughout all game and keep in mind that akali can easily 1v2. Therefore, you don't blow up your CC on first enemy or even on adc. You wait for akali to show up. No one can outcarry akali, except wholeteam effort. which is easy if done right, but exceptionally hard in low levels with so many 'retards' in your team :D
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 08 2014 10:37 GMT
#1007
I outcarry Akali by buying pinks just for her :-*
hi
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
June 08 2014 10:43 GMT
#1008
On June 08 2014 19:21 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 18:33 EquilasH wrote:
On June 08 2014 12:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
How do you fight Akali as someone like Jayce? They picked a Kayle and an Akali so I had no idea who was mid and who was top. Akali just outtraded me once she reached 6 and all that poke 1-5 meant zippity shit.

At first I thought blue trinket would let me fight her in her shroud but it didn't reveal at all. D:

Just tower hug? I went 0-1 cuz I wanted to fight her early on but it didn't work.

oops doublepost sry
.


You'd have to play a LOT better than the Akali to beat her without succesful ganks and you need to harass her a ton pre-6.
In most cases you'd probably have to just start farming with empowered Q at some point.


Harassing akali until 6 has no effect whatsoever. She will get her farm anyway, opponent goes roaming or your jungle babysits, or simply by roaming herself. To handle a potent akali your team needs to stay focused throughout all game and keep in mind that akali can easily 1v2. Therefore, you don't blow up your CC on first enemy or even on adc. You wait for akali to show up. No one can outcarry akali, except wholeteam effort. which is easy if done right, but exceptionally hard in low levels with so many 'retards' in your team :D

If you are playing Jayce you should be all over her. Buying pinks is huge too.

Renekton also should be able to make her miserable
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 08 2014 11:19 GMT
#1009
i had a question for you guys; do you like how riot does so many patches and balance changes, or do you prefer like a valve/blizzard approach where they don't make balance changes as often? personally, i dont like at all how riot changes the game like every 2 weeks...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2014 11:35 GMT
#1010
On June 08 2014 11:54 wei2coolman wrote:
The khazix changes actually weren't that bad, he's a complete beast in a poke comp. His W gives him decent poke on squishy, waveclear and peel all in 1 spell. Pair him up with the current nidalee, and you got yourself a scary as fuck poke comp.

I'd say it was always the case (initially off lane Kha'Zix was a bitch because he'd W the wave, one-shot it, and then have all the isolated Qs he wanted onto you; now he uses Tiamat for it), but I wanted to check his patch history to make sure of it and it's broken on the wiki. >_>
His W damage hasn't really been buffed since the W evolution nerf. Poke's always been there.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 08 2014 12:01 GMT
#1011
they dont change the game every 2 weeks they just nerf op shit
which is good for everyone who doesnt play op shit
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 08 2014 12:04 GMT
#1012
On June 08 2014 20:19 IMoperator wrote:
i had a question for you guys; do you like how riot does so many patches and balance changes, or do you prefer like a valve/blizzard approach where they don't make balance changes as often? personally, i dont like at all how riot changes the game like every 2 weeks...


I like the patch frequency they have now. It's not like they're changing 20 big things each patch.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2014 12:12 GMT
#1013
I'd like to see more buffs to underplayed champions or ones performing badly, just to get more data about them. Sure, some are actually decent and will get OP (but not broken) for maybe a patch or two, but that can be addressed too and at least the pool will be more diversified from patch to patch.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 08 2014 12:17 GMT
#1014
On June 08 2014 21:12 Alaric wrote:
I'd like to see more buffs to underplayed champions or ones performing badly, just to get more data about them. Sure, some are actually decent and will get OP (but not broken) for maybe a patch or two, but that can be addressed too and at least the pool will be more diversified from patch to patch.

Ah the Ice frog treatment. Thats a proactive style of patching and updating not a reactive one like riot uses.

The weird thing is thinking that nerfing the strongest champions only affects people who play the strongest champions. If the top champions are all say teamfighting champs, then teamfight meta will drop off and your lesser used teamfight champ favorite becomes much worse within the context of drafts. Or perhaps the current top champs are strong against a character or playstyle that your champ pool is weak to. A lot more gets changed than just numbers when you nerf the top champs all the time.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
June 08 2014 12:18 GMT
#1015
On June 08 2014 15:07 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 13:29 Gahlo wrote:
On June 08 2014 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 08 2014 13:10 Gahlo wrote:
On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^)

Hey, give me a raise!


done, i'm doubling your salary starting this week for all your help in securing our victory over c9

Sweet!


Two times zero still zero

You know, you should work on reducing your salt intake.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 12:45:43
June 08 2014 12:45 GMT
#1016
On June 08 2014 21:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 21:12 Alaric wrote:
I'd like to see more buffs to underplayed champions or ones performing badly, just to get more data about them. Sure, some are actually decent and will get OP (but not broken) for maybe a patch or two, but that can be addressed too and at least the pool will be more diversified from patch to patch.

Ah the Ice frog treatment. Thats a proactive style of patching and updating not a reactive one like riot uses.


How is something that reacts to an assessment of underplayed champions "proactive"?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2014 12:52 GMT
#1017
"X isn't played, let's buff him, that'll make more people play it and we'll have more data to assess it" vs "X is played so much and so strong, let's nerf it".
In one case you try to incite players to do stuff, in the other you react to them doing stuff.

(A champion not being played much is more the result of a small subset being prefered than that champion being specifically avoided.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
June 08 2014 12:52 GMT
#1018
How am do Lee Sin?
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7213 Posts
June 08 2014 12:53 GMT
#1019
I think it's kind of weird that if you're at diamond 5, and your duo is gold 1 you can't queue 6 divisions away. But if you're at plat 1 and your duo is at gold 5 you can queue 9 divisions away.
日本語が分かりますか
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
June 08 2014 12:55 GMT
#1020
On June 08 2014 21:52 Alaric wrote:
"X isn't played, let's buff him, that'll make more people play it and we'll have more data to assess it" vs "X is played so much and so strong, let's nerf it".
In one case you try to incite players to do stuff, in the other you react to them doing stuff.

(A champion not being played much is more the result of a small subset being prefered than that champion being specifically avoided.)


Trying to incite players to do stuff based on an assessment of the current situation is still reactive. The term "proactive" is just deceiving and makes it seem like the dota way of balancing is fundamentally different, which it is not.
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