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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.
Enough is enough. Let's move along now.
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It was also talked about very briefly too I think.
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How do you fight Akali as someone like Jayce? They picked a Kayle and an Akali so I had no idea who was mid and who was top. Akali just outtraded me once she reached 6 and all that poke 1-5 meant zippity shit.
At first I thought blue trinket would let me fight her in her shroud but it didn't reveal at all. D:
Just tower hug? I went 0-1 cuz I wanted to fight her early on but it didn't work.
oops doublepost sry
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On June 08 2014 12:40 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 12:24 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 10:41 JazzVortical wrote:On June 08 2014 08:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 07:42 arb wrote:On June 08 2014 07:30 cLutZ wrote:On June 08 2014 06:41 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Conversely, can we agree on the existence on reverse free elo champs? Memory of previous discussions here would suggest not. Of course there are, just tl hipsterism likes to pretend it doesn't exist. Brand and Urgot would come to mind. Literally nothing wrong with Urgot or Brand if you arent a retard with them lol. That's weird, its almost like you are attacking a strawman (you are). Did I say they were terrible champions? No, I said that in order to gain ELO with them, you have to be better with those champions than you would have to be with another, more powerful, champion. Using this logic, this goes for like 90% of the champion base. Yes, and I picked two champs that are fairly extreme examples of it. It isn't like I said two slightly suboptimal champs, those are good examples. I actually think Brand is a really poor example of this. He isn't an 'extreme' example at all. Out of interest sake, who would you say does fit into that top 10%?
Braum for sure, ziggs and kayle are also very good for "overachieving " in mid, top is harder because of soloq counters, but jax is close. The reason I say brand, is because his ults crappy rng can make you lose fights and games your should have won.
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On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^)
Hey, give me a raise!
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On June 08 2014 12:27 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 11:54 wei2coolman wrote:
The khazix changes actually weren't that bad, he's a complete beast in a poke comp. His W gives him decent poke on squishy, waveclear and peel all in 1 spell. Pair him up with the current nidalee, and you got yourself a scary as fuck poke comp. What role would he play then? I doubt he could do this from the jungle... maybe go Kha top, some kind of tanky jungler that can initiate a fight, Nidalee mid, Lucian ADC and Nami support? I'd imagine tear/manamune would be required in such a build too. Would you go E-W-Q on the evolve path too?
Jungle is fine, he farms jungle super hard. R->W->E->Q in terms of leveling up skill
W->E-> (Q or R depending on how hard they can engage) in terms of evolve.
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On June 08 2014 13:10 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^) Hey, give me a raise!
done, i'm doubling your salary starting this week for all your help in securing our victory over c9
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On June 08 2014 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 13:10 Gahlo wrote:On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^) Hey, give me a raise! done, i'm doubling your salary starting this week for all your help in securing our victory over c9
Sweet!
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Isn't OGN Masters finals in like 4 hours?
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oh yes it is 
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So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ.
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On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ.
doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6?
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On June 08 2014 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ. doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6?
I don't see how it will kill it. Are you relying on that extra 5 mp5?
For me, I suspect I'll be going Morello instead of Grail in almost every case. I might try some tear based builds (e.g. Syndra loves CDR so that's a con, but she can stack a tear pretty quickly).
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On June 08 2014 14:29 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ. doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6? I don't see how it will kill it. Are you relying on that extra 5 mp5? For me, I suspect I'll be going Morello instead of Grail in almost every case. I might try some tear based builds (e.g. Syndra loves CDR so that's a con, but she can stack a tear pretty quickly).
Well I guess Ketara's concern is lack of MR against lanes like syndra, and leblanc. I think it should be okay if you pick up heal as summoner. Or grab 2 pts into W before level 6.
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On June 08 2014 13:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:On June 08 2014 13:10 Gahlo wrote:On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^) Hey, give me a raise! done, i'm doubling your salary starting this week for all your help in securing our victory over c9 Sweet!
Two times zero still zero
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On June 08 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 14:29 JazzVortical wrote:On June 08 2014 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ. doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6? I don't see how it will kill it. Are you relying on that extra 5 mp5? For me, I suspect I'll be going Morello instead of Grail in almost every case. I might try some tear based builds (e.g. Syndra loves CDR so that's a con, but she can stack a tear pretty quickly). Well I guess Ketara's concern is lack of MR against lanes like syndra, and leblanc. I think it should be okay if you pick up heal as summoner. Or grab 2 pts into W before level 6.
Ah true. Even then, I don't think the MR makes much difference to Lux, given you have shield and you will almost always be taking a defensive summoner (Heal or exhaust). I'm guessing you won't need the MR much for late game either, you want the mana regen/CDR to spam from distance.
Of course I'm not a Lux player, but I've played against her a bunch of times.
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keep in mind it's only for ranked.
you can still duo queue with whoever you want in normals.
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On June 08 2014 15:11 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2014 14:29 JazzVortical wrote:On June 08 2014 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2014 14:18 Ketara wrote:
So, I have this big worry that this Athenes nerf is going to kill Lux mid, and I'm not going to be able to be hipster with her anymore.
Somebody tell me this isn't going to be the case, because QQ. doesn't morello first work fine if you get like 2 points in W before 6? I don't see how it will kill it. Are you relying on that extra 5 mp5? For me, I suspect I'll be going Morello instead of Grail in almost every case. I might try some tear based builds (e.g. Syndra loves CDR so that's a con, but she can stack a tear pretty quickly). Well I guess Ketara's concern is lack of MR against lanes like syndra, and leblanc. I think it should be okay if you pick up heal as summoner. Or grab 2 pts into W before level 6. Ah true. Even then, I don't think the MR makes much difference to Lux, given you have shield and you will almost always be taking a defensive summoner (Heal or exhaust). I'm guessing you won't need the MR much for late game either, you want the mana regen/CDR to spam from distance. Of course I'm not a Lux player, but I've played against her a bunch of times.
40 mr is a ton with just 1 rank in shield. It's a pretty big drop in the upcoming patch, especially since some cdr blue runes are not uncommon in certain lux builds.
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On June 08 2014 15:07 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 13:29 Gahlo wrote:On June 08 2014 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:On June 08 2014 13:10 Gahlo wrote:On June 08 2014 08:28 gtrsrs wrote:
don't forget good old SG guitarasaurus, the original skarner player :^) Hey, give me a raise! done, i'm doubling your salary starting this week for all your help in securing our victory over c9 Sweet! Two times zero still zero
Shhh, we don't bring math into GD.
Unless it's Sufficiency's tables of infinite numbers. Then it's ok (and by ok, I mean it leads to 5-10 pages of nerd discussion about blue side being OP).
Edit:
And on a serious note, I did that semi-poll of people's go-to champs to see their reactions, and almost every person picked a champ that (in my opinion) can potentially be the next FotM.
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So I tried out jungle Karthus in a few normals yesterday. Watched a Nightblue vod and Azingy was streaming.
They use the same build. Spectral Wraith - Boots 1 - Tear. So far so good. Now comes where I have problems in understanding:
Azingy repeatedly said that he hates getting sorc boots before Archangels. Also, Azingy wants to have Archangels in general REALLY bad. In one game he had tear and a blasting wand, and 1.9k gold. He complained that he could buy Rylais, but really really really wants Archangels. Every time he bought Archangels tear had like 300 stacks.
It was my understanding that it is suboptimal to upgrade tear before it is close to full. I also believe that Rylai does a lot for Karthus, mostly making Qs super easy to land and not dying in half a second.
Soooo, what's the optimal play here regarding Sorc boots and Tear upgrade?
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