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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 26 2014 10:32 GMT
#501
On May 26 2014 19:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On May 26 2014 18:31 AlterKot wrote:
On May 26 2014 18:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
I personally am going to try to make Support Maokai a thing. He's got a lot of things going for him imo.

I remember playing with one. He just stood behind me throwing sapplings (most of which hit minions) while the enemy had a real support that zoned me from farm. I'm not a fan.

Was this recently? What was the enemy support? I'm considering opening with Spellthief's Edge and poke/push to level 2 like you would Morgana.
Like with any Support, there are certain Support matchups you'd want to avoid. Right off the bat, I think of Sona with better poke and sustain in lane, there's very little you can do if 1-2 of you get caught by Crescendo in lane. Any other glaringly weak matchups? Leona? Thresh?

I think it was two months ago so only vague memories. I was against Leona maybe (Mao supported me)? I mean, his sapplings are very hard to hit in lane (it's easy to run behind minions before they activate), he's scared to all-in before level 6 and at level 6 Leona and Thresh have better engage. Maybe not Warwick support, but hardly viable (at least from my experience).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
May 26 2014 10:36 GMT
#502
What exactly are the things that Support Maokai has going for him? I don't see any reason for picking him.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
May 26 2014 10:49 GMT
#503
On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:
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On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.

Played against Ryan Choi on his smurf in solo queue. He literally carried the game 1v5. Like he would just kill all 5 of us while his team was in base still.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 26 2014 11:13 GMT
#504
On May 26 2014 11:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On May 26 2014 10:00 Capped wrote:
Wtf LCS going to wembley, thats like 30 minutes away from me.

/faint

Must get tickets.

Pictures plz. glhf

Hope you have a TL shirt. :3


I dont have a TL shirt just an old razer hoodie, probably get that signed tbh, never wear it anyway. Or maybe my TL mousemat.

Just confirmed with my wife that i'm going, only problem is i start work at a new job pretty soon but taking a half-day shouldn't be a problem.

My work is IN wembley so i can probably leave at like 3 and just head straight to the venue (mwahahahahaha)

If anyone else is planning on heading over send me a PM, we can meet up :-) Not sure if im going to have anyone there at this point, wife is uncertain and havent spoken to my league playing friends.

One things for certain, this is going to be shweeeeeeeeet.
Useless wet fish.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 12:07 GMT
#505
On May 26 2014 17:49 M2 wrote:
What happened to Hecarim? How come he became so bad suddenly? No one plays him anymore, and when I see him in game he is just weak, nothing to do at all with the monster he was before. I know he got nerf, but was it so big?


I think he is still very good. He is my alternative to mummy when mummy is not available and I don't feel like playing the pig.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
May 26 2014 12:23 GMT
#506
After this discussion, I started playing jungle Ezreal, and man, this is the most fun I've had playing League in a long, long time.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 26 2014 12:26 GMT
#507
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
May 26 2014 12:28 GMT
#508
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.


I lost yesterday Garen vs Garen in toplane without jungle interventions against a Silver 3. So it happens xD
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 26 2014 12:38 GMT
#509
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.


The ability to instagib someone combined with the ability to see any possible follow up is really strong.

It's the definition of SoloQ stomping, and regardless its killer strong to just be able to have vision.

Rengar is an awesome champion.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 26 2014 12:38 GMT
#510
Rengar has always been a champ with horrible design choices for this game.The main problem is that the counterplay is insanely hard to do while he just rightclicks and then facerolls.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 12:39:01
May 26 2014 12:38 GMT
#511
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.

My bronze friend out laned and beat a diamond 1 in lane
shit happens. this isnt broodwar where a A will beat a D 99/100 games ya know.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 26 2014 12:43 GMT
#512
On May 26 2014 21:38 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.

My bronze friend out laned and beat a diamond 1 in lane
shit happens. this isnt broodwar where a A will beat a D 99/100 games ya know.

Yes but I assume after that he got caught ten times as much as the diamond guy. It wasn't just laning phase, it was the whole game.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 26 2014 12:46 GMT
#513
is it ranked 5s or normals, if normals then doesnt matter
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 26 2014 13:01 GMT
#514
On May 26 2014 21:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
is it ranked 5s or normals, if normals then doesnt matter

I was duoq'ing with him in ranked.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 26 2014 13:09 GMT
#515
On May 26 2014 22:01 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 21:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
is it ranked 5s or normals, if normals then doesnt matter

I was duoq'ing with him in ranked.


Then rest of Game wasn't plat, was ((his mmr + your mmr)/2) + a few divisions.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 13:48 GMT
#516
A bronze LeBlanc definitely has a shot at a Diamond Kat. It depends on the match up too.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2014 13:51 GMT
#517
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
May 26 2014 14:02 GMT
#518
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but I have always been more of a fan of not homogenizing balancing. I mean let rengar one shot people, let kha zix be a demon when you are isolated, let thresh has all his bullshit, let leblanc be able to go in and out in and out till the end of the world, let nidalee spears 2 shot carries, let..just let em be strong. Give smth strong to all or most of the champs and let people learn how to use their strengths against the others. Let em have team compositions that have 30% chance of winning just because you did not pick good enough and you had no idea what you are picking.
This kind of game is much more appealing for me.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 14:15 GMT
#519
On May 26 2014 23:02 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but I have always been more of a fan of not homogenizing balancing. I mean let rengar one shot people, let kha zix be a demon when you are isolated, let thresh has all his bullshit, let leblanc be able to go in and out in and out till the end of the world, let nidalee spears 2 shot carries, let..just let em be strong. Give smth strong to all or most of the champs and let people learn how to use their strengths against the others. Let em have team compositions that have 30% chance of winning just because you did not pick good enough and you had no idea what you are picking.
This kind of game is much more appealing for me.


You know we got a separate site for dota, right?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 26 2014 14:16 GMT
#520
On May 26 2014 22:09 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 22:01 Fildun wrote:
On May 26 2014 21:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
is it ranked 5s or normals, if normals then doesnt matter

I was duoq'ing with him in ranked.


Then rest of Game wasn't plat, was ((his mmr + your mmr)/2) + a few divisions.

According to lolnexus they were 2 plat 4's and a gold 1.
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