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[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 28

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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#541
i dont see how anyone can possibly defend a situation where any champ can kill another with 0 opportunity to fight back.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 16:24:50
May 26 2014 16:24 GMT
#542
On May 27 2014 01:16 phathom321 wrote:
Don't most assassins basically do the same thing with early kills? Rengar's early kill potential is pretty nuts and lets him snowball a lot easier than champions like Fizz or Akali and could probably use some tuning (along with the obvious issues of Ferocity) but I'd say that if your friend was on Fizz or Akali with 2 early kills like that he probably would have wrecked people in fights like just as well as Rengar could.


Any assassin who snowballs real hard can do these things. Rengar is a little different though because of how his ult works.

Fizz, Akali, Leblanc, Talon etc part of their damage is tied to their ult. If they're so fed they can instagib somebody without using their ult then they work similar to Rengar yes, but if they need their ult to get a kill it's different. They instagib somebody 1v1, but then when your team forces a 5v4 for an objective afterwards, they aren't as scary without their ult.

Rengar's ult does not increase his damage, all it does is give him guaranteed engage on an isolated target. It's not of much use in a 5v5 at all aside from just giving vision. So not only does he have better engage on the isolated target since his ult lets him bypass wards and see where everybody is, after he ganks somebody he still has 100% of his teamfight potential to pressure an objective afterwards.

Basically what this means is he doesn't have to be as far ahead as other assassins to do the same sort of shit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 16:31:33
May 26 2014 16:29 GMT
#543
That's not true at all.Rengar without his ult is useless.He is only not useless if you are fighting in a dumb position and let him use the bushes too much.

Also his ult does give him damage.....How is stacking ferocity for free not giving him damage?
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 26 2014 16:35 GMT
#544
On May 27 2014 01:01 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 00:54 EquilasH wrote:
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote:
Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team.
My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen.


Did he happen to get a double kill lvl 2 or 3?

He got one kill at level 3 on their jungler and then one at level 4 on the solo laner I think.


Oh okay, incidentally I had a Silver 5 Rengar in a game on my smurf who was against a plat and he got a double on their jungle/top when they dove him, he had this strange quadruple doran into tiamat+LW I think.
wat
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2014 16:35 GMT
#545
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 26 2014 16:39 GMT
#546
Feel that's more Riot completely messing up the vision rework than Rengar himself.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 26 2014 16:41 GMT
#547
I'd like to see the ! marker increased to 1100 or 1200 range instead of 1000 personally. I think it's the right idea, it's just not quite there.

And his damage maybe needs to be reduced a little.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 26 2014 16:42 GMT
#548
On May 27 2014 01:19 turdburgler wrote:
i dont see how anyone can possibly defend a situation where any champ can kill another with 0 opportunity to fight back.

Til poppy is op'd
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2014 16:44 GMT
#549
On May 27 2014 01:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 01:19 turdburgler wrote:
i dont see how anyone can possibly defend a situation where any champ can kill another with 0 opportunity to fight back.

Til poppy is op'd

Quiet, we're going to take over EU LCS with her.
Glorious SEA doto
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
May 26 2014 16:46 GMT
#550
On May 27 2014 01:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 01:19 turdburgler wrote:
i dont see how anyone can possibly defend a situation where any champ can kill another with 0 opportunity to fight back.

Til poppy is op'd

She is if you don't shut her down early...
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 16:47 GMT
#551
On May 27 2014 01:35 krndandaman wrote:
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On May 27 2014 01:18 Nos- wrote:
I think people are more annoyed that you probably won't see rengar coming than him being able to delete people.


this.
there's hardly anything you can do to be completely safe from rengar, especially in soloq.
the only thing you can do is stay near teammates (and even then sometimes rengar is strong enough to just dive in and kill you) but eventually you'll have to clear a wave or whatnot.

its extremely frustrating to play against something you can't react to.



Out of curiosity, does everyone feel the same for TF or Noc?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 16:52:55
May 26 2014 16:50 GMT
#552
On May 27 2014 01:47 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 01:35 krndandaman wrote:
On May 27 2014 01:18 Nos- wrote:
I think people are more annoyed that you probably won't see rengar coming than him being able to delete people.


this.
there's hardly anything you can do to be completely safe from rengar, especially in soloq.
the only thing you can do is stay near teammates (and even then sometimes rengar is strong enough to just dive in and kill you) but eventually you'll have to clear a wave or whatnot.

its extremely frustrating to play against something you can't react to.



Out of curiosity, does everyone feel the same for TF or Noc?

Nocturne sorta, mostly cuz you can't see shit. At least with TF you get time to react.
On May 27 2014 01:44 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 01:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 01:19 turdburgler wrote:
i dont see how anyone can possibly defend a situation where any champ can kill another with 0 opportunity to fight back.

Til poppy is op'd

Quiet, we're going to take over EU LCS with her.

And they thought jax was a late game terror.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 16:56 GMT
#553
So I think Noc has been around forever but does not suffer as many problems as Rengo does, even though Noc arguably has a better R.

The problem with Rengar may have to do with his unlimited gapclosing in brush, his burst, and his instant E (compared to Noc who needs time for his Unspeakable Horror)
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 26 2014 16:57 GMT
#554
Nocturne not bursting someone instantly and being kiteable unlike rengar kinda matters a lot.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2014 16:59 GMT
#555
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 17:03:27
May 26 2014 17:00 GMT
#556
Yeah, so I think Rengar CAN be balanced without changing his R (see Nocturne). But his other skills, particularly his Q and E, need nerfs.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
johnybravo22
Profile Joined May 2014
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 17:04:10
May 26 2014 17:03 GMT
#557
saying that staying grouped 24/7 complately saves u from rengar is an overstatement
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 26 2014 17:04 GMT
#558
People are just greedy and refuse to build tankiness in solo queue. If they have a Rengar, get a 3rd item armor item, because you could have 500 AD and be useless because you can't do shit when you're dead. Rengar might need to be tweaked, but people are acting as though there's absolutely nothing you can do at all ever. Hyperbole central in TLGD today.
Hey! How you doin'?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2014 17:07 GMT
#559
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Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
May 26 2014 17:10 GMT
#560
This is really the first time playing a blatantly OP champ for freelo with Korean Kayle. The thing is I'm starting to get ladder fear because I'm out of normal elo range. Should I keep riding the train higher, or switch roles so I don't ruin other people's games when I'm higher?
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
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