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[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 27
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Vision range is 1200. You get the ! over your head that Rengar is coming at 1000 range. If you're not completely overextended in their jungle or something you probably know what direction he's coming from. With his gapcloser and movespeed boost on his ult, having vision really only gives you an extra what, 0.2 seconds to react to it. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 26 2014 23:02 M2 wrote: Perhaps a bit off topic, but I have always been more of a fan of not homogenizing balancing. I mean let rengar one shot people, let kha zix be a demon when you are isolated, let thresh has all his bullshit, let leblanc be able to go in and out in and out till the end of the world, let nidalee spears 2 shot carries, let..just let em be strong. Give smth strong to all or most of the champs and let people learn how to use their strengths against the others. Let em have team compositions that have 30% chance of winning just because you did not pick good enough and you had no idea what you are picking. This kind of game is much more appealing for me. You're playing the wrong game then | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On May 26 2014 23:44 Ketara wrote: Honestly, while oracles lenses helps against Rengar, it's not all that big of a deal. Vision range is 1200. You get the ! over your head that Rengar is coming at 1000 range. If you're not completely overextended in their jungle or something you probably know what direction he's coming from. With his gapcloser and movespeed boost on his ult, having vision really only gives you an extra what, 0.2 seconds to react to it. pinks being visible and the ability to put only 1 pink made rengar inhumanly strong in soloQ, where everyone caring for himself is the best you can expect. so no strategical pink warding from the team to cut him off, There is a reason though why we are not seeing Rengar all mighty in tournaments | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
TBH once you see the ! It is too late anyway... | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On May 26 2014 23:52 M2 wrote: pinks being visible and the ability to put only 1 pink made rengar inhumanly strong in soloQ, where everyone caring for himself is the best you can expect. so no strategical pink warding from the team to cut him off, There is a reason though why we are not seeing Rengar all mighty in tournaments The reason we're not seeing him in tournaments is cus he's globally banned | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:05 killerdog wrote: The reason we're not seeing him in tournaments is cus he's globally banned Alliance banned rango vs shc week 1 lcs are you sure he is banned? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 23:15 Sufficiency wrote: You know we got a separate site for dota, right? wtf... Sufficiency plz. I'm with M2, to a degree. Sometimes Riot definitely goes overboard with homogenizing balance. That's not to say Rengar doesn't need a nerf atm (I'm still undecided) but the balance they've done in the past like with Lee Sin. That's just the same boring shit. It's ok to have a champion that is gdlk early game but doesn't scale as well into late game. Not every champion needs the same scaling. I'm not saying I agree with all of M2's examples (of letting everything stay like it is) but Riot's been doing the exact opposite and I feel it should be somewhere between the two. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
The problem is that he's so good at tracking down and killing a solo player that late game he forces your team to stay balled up all the time. The ADC can never go farm a side lane because Rengar can jump him even under a tower, and if Rengar gets to kill somebody and not die for it it can suddenly be the end of the entire game. Since none of his burst is tied to his ult he then gets to do a 5v4 teamfight with all of his damage. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:13 NeoIllusions wrote: wtf... Sufficiency plz. I'm with M2, to a degree. Sometimes Riot definitely goes overboard with homogenizing balance. That's not to say Rengar doesn't need a nerf atm (I'm still undecided) but the balance they've done in the past like with Lee Sin. That's just the same boring shit. It's ok to have a champion that is gdlk early game but doesn't scale as well into late game. Not every champion needs the same scaling. I'm not saying I agree with all of M2's examples (of letting everything stay like it is) but Riot's been doing the exact opposite and I feel it should be somewhere between the two. Riot doesn't seem to be changing their balance and design philosophy so really if you looking for that then League of Legends isn't the game for you. Don't see Riot changing their methodology unless there're some major staff changes. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:13 NeoIllusions wrote: wtf... Sufficiency plz. I'm with M2, to a degree. Sometimes Riot definitely goes overboard with homogenizing balance. That's not to say Rengar doesn't need a nerf atm (I'm still undecided) but the balance they've done in the past like with Lee Sin. That's just the same boring shit. It's ok to have a champion that is gdlk early game but doesn't scale as well into late game. Not every champion needs the same scaling. I'm not saying I agree with all of M2's examples (of letting everything stay like it is) but Riot's been doing the exact opposite and I feel it should be somewhere between the two. You could be with M2 (and I am to a degree), but Rengar is absolutely NOT the example to use, or the place to plant your flag in support of that kind of design. He might be the guy who one shots carries...right now. But he used to be the guy who did cheesy lvl 1 all ins, he also used to be the guy who was the original BS endless sustain manaless tanky guy, he also used to be infinite splitpush guy, and random AP ratio guy, and ganks can happen at any time guy. Rengar is fundamentally broken in LOL because of his Ferocity system, Auto Reset, Unique Snowball mechanism, and Heal. But, yea, Thresh can be Thresh, he just needs to have his stats gutted so he is actually afraid of poke from mage supports, and all-ins from Leona. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Talking about stupid examples and you bring one up yourself LOL | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
He becomes hard to react to once he gets 2 of his trincket bonuses, the leap range and the mvmt speed. Before those the ! Gives ample time to start running but you need to react to it. When he gets his trincket upgrades he becomes super scary, you basically have to put your finger on your flash button when you see the ! and flash when je jumps/audio queue. If he snowballs, stay grouped with someone scary, treat him like you d treat a fed evelynn, lure him to fight in the open, kitty very weak too teamfights, especially when there are no brushs around and he is inable to get the jump on you | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:42 Sponkz wrote: Why would Thresh be afraid of all-ins from Leona, when he can just use his E? Gutting his stats to 0 and he will still be able to do this. Talking about stupid examples and you bring one up yourself LOL Exactly...he can do that, but doesn't have to, because he is tanky enough, and does enough damage (and shields) to only come out slightly behind in such trades. If Thresh doesn't flay the E he should get vaporized. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On May 26 2014 21:26 Fildun wrote: Ok, now I'm certain. The current state of Rengar completely ignores any sort of skill differential between him and the opposing team. My Silver 5 friend who is legit Silver 5 just stomped a game full of Platinums with him. That should just simply not happen. Did he happen to get a double kill lvl 2 or 3? | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:54 EquilasH wrote: Did he happen to get a double kill lvl 2 or 3? He got one kill at level 3 on their jungler and then one at level 4 on the solo laner I think. | ||
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phathom321
United States1730 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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