EPT[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 25
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 26 2014 15:55 739 wrote: That's a lot of money. Damn. That sucks that people earn way more money playing video games and streaming than I do - having full time job, LOL :D Well their jobs is to play videogames. It's just a matter of them not hating their jobs. | ||
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On May 26 2014 16:09 wei2coolman wrote: Well their jobs is to play videogames. It's just a matter of them not hating their jobs. Well yeah, right. I mean, I like my job but still, I'd change with anyone that earns playing LoL and streams :D | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Long and short of it: don't. Champs hit their power spike too fast and you don't have enough resistances to survive the first couple team fights. SV being a required buy on him also hurts, as you can't get an armor item and it in that early 15-20 minute time frame. If they gave back the tenacity on his ult, or buffed his base armor + MR, then maybe, but right now he's terrible. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On May 26 2014 12:37 SagaZ wrote: http://na.lolesports.com/tickets-are-now-sale Sounds like a bad Chinese instruction manual | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4150 Posts
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Bulgaria4150 Posts
On May 26 2014 16:29 Kinie wrote: Just tried doing Zac jungle in current meta. Long and short of it: don't. Champs hit their power spike too fast and you don't have enough resistances to survive the first couple team fights. SV being a required buy on him also hurts, as you can't get an armor item and it in that early 15-20 minute time frame. If they gave back the tenacity on his ult, or buffed his base armor + MR, then maybe, but right now he's terrible. Why is Zac not a legit support? Tanky, can harass, guaranteed engage (way more reliable than leona's or thresh), support type of ultimate (not worse than leona or thresh's), no mana issues. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 26 2014 17:53 M2 wrote: Why is Zac not a legit support? Tanky, can harass, guaranteed engage (way more reliable than leona's or thresh), support type of ultimate (not worse than leona or thresh's), no mana issues. 2 heroes can zone you from blobs far, far harder than one hero can, especially if they're both ranged. Q is actually pretty short ranged as far as harass skills go. | ||
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On May 26 2014 17:53 M2 wrote: Why is Zac not a legit support? Tanky, can harass, guaranteed engage (way more reliable than leona's or thresh), support type of ultimate (not worse than leona or thresh's), no mana issues. I've played against Zac support like 3-4 days ago, I was playing Braum support, that Zac got literally rekt hard. He was trying to engage with E from their turret (when our lane was pushed) and he was always ending up being bursted to death. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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NeoIllusions
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On May 26 2014 18:28 NeoIllusions wrote: I personally am going to try to make Support Maokai a thing. He's got a lot of things going for him imo. I remember playing with one. He just stood behind me throwing sapplings (most of which hit minions) while the enemy had a real support that zoned me from farm. I'm not a fan. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4150 Posts
On May 26 2014 18:28 NeoIllusions wrote: I personally am going to try to make Support Maokai a thing. He's got a lot of things going for him imo. I think maokai support is very viable, no need for you to do anything, its just that there are too many good picks at the support line now and since maokai was perceived as a jungle or smth, people don\t play it as support. However, nowadays Maokai support is the only thing he can do well | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He's still pretty mana-hungry so with the current heal meta and the fights that tend to extend, the long cooldown on his ult (compared to Anivia) doesn't let him reposition during a single engagement and even if you get a good one off it's going to drain your mana fast (I guess since you're playing support you can get a crucible or something for mana regen but it'll only buy you so many seconds). His dps also isn't that high compared to someone like Thresh, Braum or any AP support (I often see Thresh outperform tanky/initiating junglers in terms of damage to champions when games go late because of The Box's really high base damage: if he manages to hit level 16, it's easily 1500 damage per teamfight pre-MR just from it... then you factor in his passive's AP and his E's passive). It'd also force you into an aggressive lane that wants all-in, since your poke likely won't stick, and you can't even peel a Leona or Thresh that wall (Q's knock-up radius is really short to be able to interrupt a dash). At least he can shove better than other melee supports. Would you play him Talisman for the initiation/disengage, or Face for tankiness and better protection of your carries? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 18:31 AlterKot wrote: I remember playing with one. He just stood behind me throwing sapplings (most of which hit minions) while the enemy had a real support that zoned me from farm. I'm not a fan. Was this recently? What was the enemy support? I'm considering opening with Spellthief's Edge and poke/push to level 2 like you would Morgana. Like with any Support, there are certain Support matchups you'd want to avoid. Right off the bat, I think of Sona with better poke and sustain in lane, there's very little you can do if 1-2 of you get caught by Crescendo in lane. Any other glaringly weak matchups? Leona? Thresh? On May 26 2014 18:32 M2 wrote: I think maokai support is very viable, no need for you to do anything, its just that there are too many good picks at the support line now and since maokai was perceived as a jungle or smth, people don\t play it as support. However, nowadays Maokai support is the only thing he can do well It's something I'm considering writing about, in regards to unorthodox/uncommon champions in certain roles. On May 26 2014 18:44 Alaric wrote: I'd think support Maokai would work better in a diving/assassin meta, with the peel he can provide and especially his ult (works like a charm against AoE comps by reducing damage output + letting team disengage, esp. against stuff like Karthus or Kennen -even though it tends to be suicidal- but these comps haven't been popular in forever unless you count Shyvana+Soraka solo lanes as one). He's still pretty mana-hungry so with the current heal meta and the fights that tend to extend, the long cooldown on his ult (compared to Anivia) doesn't let him reposition during a single engagement and even if you get a good one off it's going to drain your mana fast (I guess since you're playing support you can get a crucible or something for mana regen but it'll only buy you so many seconds). His dps also isn't that high compared to someone like Thresh, Braum or any AP support (I often see Thresh outperform tanky/initiating junglers in terms of damage to champions when games go late because of The Box's really high base damage: if he manages to hit level 16, it's easily 1500 damage per teamfight pre-MR just from it... then you factor in his passive's AP and his E's passive). It'd also force you into an aggressive lane that wants all-in, since your poke likely won't stick, and you can't even peel a Leona or Thresh that wall (Q's knock-up radius is really short to be able to interrupt a dash). At least he can shove better than other melee supports. Would you play him Talisman for the initiation/disengage, or Face for tankiness and better protection of your carries? Spellthief into Talisman imo. Chalice/Crucible as first or second major item because it helps with the mana issues with ulti. Other than that, I'm leaning more towards tanky over AP. | ||
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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