EPT[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 23
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On May 26 2014 05:22 Sufficiency wrote: If a champion has Morgana E and Kayle R on, will he be totally immune to CC for the duration? Until Morgana E gets popped... I think so? I think the only thing that'll stun someone under that type of protection is a stun from Udyr, Riven, or Jax. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 26 2014 05:27 Kinie wrote: Until Morgana E gets popped... I think so? I think the only thing that'll stun someone under that type of protection is a stun from Udyr, Riven, or Jax. Why would Udyr, Riven or Jax stun them? Yes, somebody with both Morgana E and Kayle R on is totally immune to CC. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 25 2014 19:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It's an estimation based on AP ratios on skills vs the amount of MR the enemy team will have at specific points in the game where you'll be encountering them. Generally you want penetration by the time you anticipate key targets having resists for you. If you're an ADC, for example, you want LW around the same time that Renekton will be your main focus in a fight. If you're a caster, you want Void Staff when the people you'll be blowing up have resists for it. The closer to 0 you can get someone's resists, the more value you get from flat penetration. The higher amount of resists they have, the more value you get from % pen. I can't comment specifically on the LB case because I haven't seen a game, but I imagine they thought having the pen was more important than having the AP or that saving 1600 for a NLR was too expensive. 99% sure it was mapped out on here Void Staff will always out damage Hat vs champions but will yield less creep damage On May 26 2014 05:27 Kinie wrote: Until Morgana E gets popped... I think so? I think the only thing that'll stun someone under that type of protection is a stun from Udyr, Riven, or Jax. Blocks all CC, only difference in those 3 stuns being they deal direct damage but dont pop the shield or stun them | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 26 2014 05:57 arb wrote: 99% sure it was mapped out on here Void Staff will always out damage Hat vs champions but will yield less creep damage It depends on the champion, but in general yes, on most people void staff outdamages hat vs champs and hat outdamages void vs minions, regardless of target MR. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On May 26 2014 05:22 Sufficiency wrote: If a champion has Morgana E and Kayle R on, will he be totally immune to CC for the duration? Yeah that's one of the most broken synergies in the game, now just get the Yi jungle to work in competative ^^ | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
He has the ability to just delete squishies, and the ability to know exactly where the entire enemy team is. That combined is just really really strong. I like him in the jungle and top. He jungles really fast, and some of the counterjungling you can pull is pretty awesome with the bush jumping. Top he has a really abusively strong level 1 that if people aren't prepared for you will dominate them from the ensuing snowball. He has a lot of good matchups, he farms well in bad matchups, and there are very few matchups where I wouldn't feel comfortable tying or losing by 20-30 CS to but most of those champs Rengar dominates regardless. I like him a lot. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On May 26 2014 06:36 zodde wrote: Yeah that's one of the most broken synergies in the game, now just get the Yi jungle to work in competative ^^ That's not too hard tbh; tanky top laner (like Renekton or Shyvana), Yi jungle, Kayle mid, a safe ADC (Lucian, Ezreal, Caitlyn) and Morgana support. Yi ults and dives in with Q, everyone turns to kill him, Morg E and Kayle R keep him alive while Shyv dives to back lane or protects the ADC while Kayle and ADC chunk through the enemy front line. I'm surprised Yi doesn't see more play, maybe it has to do with the yolo Q mentality that stops people from playing him? His ganks do suck pre-6, that might also be the issue. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On May 26 2014 08:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Kayle won't be getting through very often for a while I think She might be if the PBE nerfs to her E range go through. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On May 26 2014 09:01 Kinie wrote: She might be if the PBE nerfs to her E range go through. Riot said they are feeling out those changes, and if they go through it won't be in 4.9 | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
/faint Must get tickets. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 26 2014 07:49 Kinie wrote: That's not too hard tbh; tanky top laner (like Renekton or Shyvana), Yi jungle, Kayle mid, a safe ADC (Lucian, Ezreal, Caitlyn) and Morgana support. Yi ults and dives in with Q, everyone turns to kill him, Morg E and Kayle R keep him alive while Shyv dives to back lane or protects the ADC while Kayle and ADC chunk through the enemy front line. I'm surprised Yi doesn't see more play, maybe it has to do with the yolo Q mentality that stops people from playing him? His ganks do suck pre-6, that might also be the issue. same reason why feral flare junglers don't see that much play outside the occasional Nocturne pickup. Competitive play simply does not allow for a jungler that just sits and farms, especially in the current meta when you already have the top laner being denied so hard. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 10:00 Capped wrote: Wtf LCS going to wembley, thats like 30 minutes away from me. /faint Must get tickets. Pictures plz. glhf Hope you have a TL shirt. :3 | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 26 2014 07:49 Kinie wrote: That's not too hard tbh; tanky top laner (like Renekton or Shyvana), Yi jungle, Kayle mid, a safe ADC (Lucian, Ezreal, Caitlyn) and Morgana support. Yi ults and dives in with Q, everyone turns to kill him, Morg E and Kayle R keep him alive while Shyv dives to back lane or protects the ADC while Kayle and ADC chunk through the enemy front line. I'm surprised Yi doesn't see more play, maybe it has to do with the yolo Q mentality that stops people from playing him? His ganks do suck pre-6, that might also be the issue. Yi can't do all that much in a 1v2, and can't apply the same pressure that a noct can. Before several items come out, noct hits pretty much as hard as yi does, while bringing much more utility and pressure. While at the 3+ item stage with most team comps I'd rather have a yi than noct, the chances of getting there are so much higher with noct than with Yi. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On May 26 2014 11:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: Wembley is huge, I'd be very surprised if it fills. How many people can it take? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 26 2014 11:36 Amui wrote: Yi can't do all that much in a 1v2, and can't apply the same pressure that a noct can. Before several items come out, noct hits pretty much as hard as yi does, while bringing much more utility and pressure. While at the 3+ item stage with most team comps I'd rather have a yi than noct, the chances of getting there are so much higher with noct than with Yi. Lol, its not just that, its an incredibly niche teamcomp that might win you one game, requires a precise pick/ban phase, and lacks any real hard initiation (with only an ADC for poke, if you get a poke ADC). And, IMO Shyvana is basically irreplaceable, because without that, you have no initiation, so it would really constrain you to a very specific pick/ban phase. Not only that, but it is vulnerable to being picked/banned out without the other team even knowing what you are doing (which sucks), and if they get a hint of what you are doing its even easier (also, they can just end up going Double Exhaust against this comp post pick/ban, which is fun anyways). So its like when Regi was Leblanc god, and got a bunch of Leblanc bans, thats fine, but it was a lot of practice, for one ban, and he didn't even get a win out of it. | ||
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