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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 25 2014 15:00 GMT
#421
On May 25 2014 23:52 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think when you're building Randuins you buy what you can with the gold, and try to make sure you don't have too much armor or mr compared to the other. I've done calculations and looked at the charts and when I get in game it's really hard to be optimal because of all these other factors like regen and lifesteal and shields and item slots and gold.

If you have slightly over 1k gold, get the belt. If you have less, get the chain vest and some wards. The armor part of Randuins has better denominations to fill later.
If you have a chain vest and 300 gold, upgrade to wardens
If you have chain vest and 700 gold upgrade boots

I've done mass health builds and found them rather weak during laning for example where I just get poked down and my life pool diminishes to nothing. Which is weird since for the 1 digit levels, stacking health vs someone who only does physical damage (almost none exist) is still better than stacking armor in terms of effective hp.


That explains Quas' Mundo build. Giants belt, two ruby crystals, Sunfire, Warmogs. With %hp quints.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 15:10:25
May 25 2014 15:08 GMT
#422
effective hp doesn't matter in lane obesechicken, a potion is as good as a ruby crystal for less than 10% of the cost. You only need a small edge in stats to win a lane based on superior trades so 3 pots and a cloth armour are far superior than a ruby crystal in any prolonged situation
the advantage in cs should easily pay for the 3 pots

all in potential tends to matter a lot more later though, when you have your CC spells disengaging forces youto lose hp. Early on the creep aggro is enough to justify running away though, since you de-aggro the enemy creeps
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
May 25 2014 15:22 GMT
#423
im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz
cool beans
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 25 2014 15:26 GMT
#424
While jungling sometimes I prefer Warden's first because the extra armor makes jungle sustain better. Depends on the jungler though.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 25 2014 15:59 GMT
#425
What junglers have issues with sustain after they get their first jungle item?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 16:16:13
May 25 2014 16:05 GMT
#426
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 25 2014 16:21 GMT
#427
I think health is generally better at earlier levels than resist.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 25 2014 16:22 GMT
#428
On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23351 Posts
May 25 2014 16:25 GMT
#429
considering typical base stats health is pretty much better until you get over 2k hp
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 16:28:51
May 25 2014 16:28 GMT
#430
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 25 2014 16:31 GMT
#431
On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.

haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 25 2014 16:35 GMT
#432
On May 26 2014 01:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.

haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.

Specialists have always been a treat to watch. They know all the little nitty gritties of a champion.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 25 2014 16:48 GMT
#433
On May 25 2014 22:31 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 20:20 IMoperator wrote:
speaking of item builds, when you're building a randuins, which part are you supposed to build first?



Laning vs ad: warden's mail

Laning vs ap: giant's belt


Is it that hard to figure out? O_o


Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 21:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In general, when getting large items, get the more expensive single component first. The only example I can think of that this doesn't apply to is Bloodthirster.



GL rushing giant's belt against someone like renekton or riven, because it will set you 280g further your randuin's than chain vest (but you will fail lane).


Why would you just get the chain when you could get the Wardens mail for that additional 280 gold?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
May 25 2014 16:48 GMT
#434
i found out about fate a while ago because he used to duo queue with destiny when destiny played league. his stream is pretty good, i can only watch in small doses though, I actually get bored of the one trick ponying.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 25 2014 16:56 GMT
#435
On May 26 2014 00:59 Scip wrote:
What junglers have issues with sustain after they get their first jungle item?


Many junglers cannot fully sustain their health with just the Spirit item, especially the non-Elder Lizard ones. One particular challenge is the big wraith camp.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 25 2014 17:04 GMT
#436
On May 26 2014 01:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.

haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.


Did they buff Rengar's leap range or something? It looks a LOT longer than before.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 25 2014 17:08 GMT
#437
Trinket leap increase?
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Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
May 25 2014 18:00 GMT
#438
On May 26 2014 00:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz


youd think so but then thresh
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 18:49:22
May 25 2014 18:49 GMT
#439
On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.

Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.

What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.

I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.


In my games I have been seeing the Ryan Choi 3-4 dorans blade into Tiamat+lots of arpen items Rengar build over and over in the last 2 or 3 days, and it seems like it is very strong.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 25 2014 20:06 GMT
#440
On May 26 2014 03:00 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 00:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz


youd think so but then thresh

We have yet to see if he has that level of nerf resistance based on pure utility, or if he will be more like Leona or taric, where small number or meta changes can send him from op to irrelevant.
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