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On May 25 2014 23:52 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think when you're building Randuins you buy what you can with the gold, and try to make sure you don't have too much armor or mr compared to the other. I've done calculations and looked at the charts and when I get in game it's really hard to be optimal because of all these other factors like regen and lifesteal and shields and item slots and gold.
If you have slightly over 1k gold, get the belt. If you have less, get the chain vest and some wards. The armor part of Randuins has better denominations to fill later.
If you have a chain vest and 300 gold, upgrade to wardens
If you have chain vest and 700 gold upgrade boots
I've done mass health builds and found them rather weak during laning for example where I just get poked down and my life pool diminishes to nothing. Which is weird since for the 1 digit levels, stacking health vs someone who only does physical damage (almost none exist) is still better than stacking armor in terms of effective hp.
That explains Quas' Mundo build. Giants belt, two ruby crystals, Sunfire, Warmogs. With %hp quints.
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effective hp doesn't matter in lane obesechicken, a potion is as good as a ruby crystal for less than 10% of the cost. You only need a small edge in stats to win a lane based on superior trades so 3 pots and a cloth armour are far superior than a ruby crystal in any prolonged situation
the advantage in cs should easily pay for the 3 pots
all in potential tends to matter a lot more later though, when you have your CC spells disengaging forces youto lose hp. Early on the creep aggro is enough to justify running away though, since you de-aggro the enemy creeps
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im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz
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While jungling sometimes I prefer Warden's first because the extra armor makes jungle sustain better. Depends on the jungler though.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
What junglers have issues with sustain after they get their first jungle item?
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I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.
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I think health is generally better at earlier levels than resist.
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On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder.
I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.
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considering typical base stats health is pretty much better until you get over 2k hp
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder. I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.
haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.
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On May 26 2014 01:31 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder. I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar. haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.
Specialists have always been a treat to watch. They know all the little nitty gritties of a champion.
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On May 25 2014 22:31 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 20:20 IMoperator wrote:
speaking of item builds, when you're building a randuins, which part are you supposed to build first? Laning vs ad: warden's mail Laning vs ap: giant's belt Is it that hard to figure out? O_o Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 21:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In general, when getting large items, get the more expensive single component first. The only example I can think of that this doesn't apply to is Bloodthirster. GL rushing giant's belt against someone like renekton or riven, because it will set you 280g further your randuin's than chain vest (but you will fail lane).
Why would you just get the chain when you could get the Wardens mail for that additional 280 gold?
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i found out about fate a while ago because he used to duo queue with destiny when destiny played league. his stream is pretty good, i can only watch in small doses though, I actually get bored of the one trick ponying.
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On May 26 2014 00:59 Scip wrote:
What junglers have issues with sustain after they get their first jungle item?
Many junglers cannot fully sustain their health with just the Spirit item, especially the non-Elder Lizard ones. One particular challenge is the big wraith camp.
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On May 26 2014 01:31 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder. I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar. haha, on the topic of Ryan Choi, I have to say that recently I enjoy streams of specialist players the most. e.g. Ryan Choi, Fishing for Urf, Rohammers, etc. These guys are just incredibly proficient at their one trick pony champions. I definitely learned some all-in tactics from watching Fate (Fishing) on Fizz.
Did they buff Rengar's leap range or something? It looks a LOT longer than before.
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On May 26 2014 00:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz
youd think so but then thresh
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On May 26 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:05 Ketara wrote:
I feel like Rengar is 100% back to his old ways. I do not like Rengar very much.
Also, I am very surprised at this suggestion to get a giants belt before wardens mail when building Randuins. I feel like it's a situational thing, and in many situations the wardens mail will be a better first buy.
What kind of situations and on what champions with what runes and masteries are we talking about I wonder. I haven't seen anyone other than ryan choi play a good rengar.
In my games I have been seeing the Ryan Choi 3-4 dorans blade into Tiamat+lots of arpen items Rengar build over and over in the last 2 or 3 days, and it seems like it is very strong.
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On May 26 2014 03:00 Badboyrune wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 00:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
im sadangry that braum is so strong cos inevitable overnerf zzz youd think so but then thresh
We have yet to see if he has that level of nerf resistance based on pure utility, or if he will be more like Leona or taric, where small number or meta changes can send him from op to irrelevant.
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