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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.
Lol OK.
Remember Royal vs. Fnatic in S3? Every lane was down like 50 cs by 15 minutes lomo, and Fnatic is the team that shits on C9 every single series. And then Royal got 3-0'ed by SKT lomo.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.
Let's be real. Your NA top lane representatives are the following:
1) Cruzerthebruzer
2) Innox
3) Benny
4) Quas
5) Dyrus
6) ZionSpartan
7) Nientonsoh
We saw what happened last year at worlds. Dyrus went 0-10 on Vladimir top, and fed at All-Stars as well, while enemy top laners like Shy and PDD were carrying their team against NA. The only major region that is arguably worse than North America is Europe, and that's because Europe has piss poor team communication and are too pussy to fight with 20k leads. The individual talent in Europe is much greater than it is in NA. NA's best player right now is a European lol.
Now you tell me with a straight face that adding someone like Flame won't immediately help any of these shit teams in North America who are playing scrubs who can only play like 1 champion.
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I thought C9's communication/decision making was supposed to be their strong point, and their laning isn't all that fantastic?
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
MonteCristo's tweet is surprising because I feel like CLG needs a shotcaller who can import Korean decisionmaking and teamwork, moreso than another Doublelift in the top lane. The fact that he's actually specifically looking for players who play "meta champions" is especially confusing. What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something?
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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:
MonteCristo's tweet is surprising because I feel like CLG needs a shotcaller who can import Korean decisionmaking and teamwork, moreso than another Doublelift in the top lane. The fact that he's actually specifically looking for players who play "meta champions" is especially confusing. What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something?
Well let's see, you got professional gamers like CruzertheShitter who doesn't know how to play anyone not named Lee Sin, you got Soaz who only believe sin Lulu and Leblanc top, you got Innox who doesn't know how to play period and tries to Nidalee/Jayce, you got His Teacher Calls Him ZionSpartan who wants to play hypercarries every game and afk farm, etc. etc.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:
MonteCristo's tweet is surprising because I feel like CLG needs a shotcaller who can import Korean decisionmaking and teamwork, moreso than another Doublelift in the top lane. The fact that he's actually specifically looking for players who play "meta champions" is especially confusing. What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something?
All top laners in LCS can "play" Renekton. But the difference between playing the champion and being proficient at the champion is much different. For example, someone like Innox can certainly play Renekton, but he just doesn't have an impact on the game on that champion. He's much more proficient on champs such as LeeSin and Nidalee.
Same can be said for players like ZionSpartan, who is 50x more proficient on carry top laners, and Cruzerthebruzer who pretty much can only play Lee.
Edit: Fuck you sheep.
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On May 01 2014 00:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:
What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something?
Not sure about NA, but Wickd na EU  Soaz actually had good games on Renekton i think
On May 01 2014 00:47 Ketara wrote:
I thought C9's communication/decision making was supposed to be their strong point, and their laning isn't all that fantastic?
Balls is widely considered to be head and shoulders above everyone else in NA, Sneaky has improved a lot, Hai's only opponent is Bjergsen. Even in previous split C9's tactic was "lanes hold their own and Meteos farms". They are smart, but also talented.
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Top laners are generally the #3 of the team, so they just need items to make themselves unkillable, or at least meat walls. Telling someone to go and tank shouldn't be that hard to get across. It would get dicey if they went to carry toplaner, like Ryze, Kennen, Vlad, or Rumble, but you don't need to do that until they are more comfortable with English for that to be an issue really. And if the other team target bans Shyv, Renek, Mundo, Shen or someone else could always be picked, plus it would open up all kinds of picks for the rest of the team that it wouldn't be worth it more than likely.
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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:53 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:
MonteCristo's tweet is surprising because I feel like CLG needs a shotcaller who can import Korean decisionmaking and teamwork, moreso than another Doublelift in the top lane. The fact that he's actually specifically looking for players who play "meta champions" is especially confusing. What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something? All top laners in LCS can "play" Renekton. But the difference between playing the champion and being proficient at the champion is much different. For example, someone like Innox can certainly play Renekton, but he just doesn't have an impact on the game on that champion. He's much more proficient on champs such as LeeSin and Nidalee. Same can be said for players like ZionSpartan, who is 50x more proficient on carry top laners, and Cruzerthebruzer who pretty much can only play Lee. Edit: Fuck you sheep.
Type faster.
Let's be real, even PDD hates playing metachamps but he does it when he has to. Like when he plays Renekton and builds 520 AD lomo.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:47 Ketara wrote:
I thought C9's communication/decision making was supposed to be their strong point, and their laning isn't all that fantastic?
How the fuck do you think Meteos gets to farm as much as he does? The major argument going into worlds against C9 was the sheer fact that in NA, C9 always played against shit laners, which allowed Meteos to farm all day and rape everyone. Would that style translate into success against teams with stronger laners in the world scene?
If his team blew at laning, C9 wouldn't be as good, and he wouldn't have like 300 CS on Nocturne every game.
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pros across regions are roughly at laning parity
meanwhile cruzerthebruzer is playing in the North American League of Legends Championship Series for a top 4 team
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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 01 2014 00:56 Kyrie wrote:
pros across regions are roughly at laning parity
meanwhile cruzerthebruzer is playing in the North American League of Legends Championship Series for a top 4 team
Fnatic vs. Royal at S3 worlds. OMG and SKT vs. every other team in groups. "Laning parity."
That entire tournament was win-lane win-game.
Ozone just choked so whatever.
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i probably should have put the first line in scare quotes
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On May 01 2014 00:53 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:
What, are there LCS-level players who don't own Renekton or something? Not sure about NA, but Wickd na EU Soaz actually had good games on Renekton i think Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:47 Ketara wrote:
I thought C9's communication/decision making was supposed to be their strong point, and their laning isn't all that fantastic? Balls is widely considered to be head and shoulders above everyone else in NA, Sneaky has improved a lot, Hai's only opponent is Bjergsen. Even in previous split C9's tactic was "lanes hold their own and Meteos farms". They are smart, but also talented.
soaz is actually pretty bad on renekton he often ties lanes he should win like vs shyv or how he was utterly destroyed by balls rumble, tbh i have never seen him have an impact on this champion
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Now, I do think that while there may be a huge skillgap top lane, it doesn't make up for the fact that communication blows because you have someone who basically doesn't speak your language. It's hard to make elaborate calls and have that guy stay on the same page unless he truly understands what's going on. You basically have to limit communication to shit like "Kill. TP TP TP TP TP. GOGOGOGOGO"
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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 01 2014 01:00 Kyrie wrote:
i probably should have put the first line in scare quotes
I heard the Young Pobelter was gonna be the next Faker.
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When did Balls win with Rumble against Soaz's Renekton?
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worlds or bota not sure it was quite some time ago, soaz almost never had a strong showing on renekton, hes going even at best which shouldnt be the case for renekton
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I'll check, because from what I remember Balls' rumble was useless at worlds.
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On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.
so.... they're behind in... everything?
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