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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:15:34
April 30 2014 16:15 GMT
#1601
On May 01 2014 01:12 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game.



I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.



I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.


so.... they're behind in... everything?

Nah, NA is miles ahead of the world in Baron throws.
God Bless
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 30 2014 16:16 GMT
#1602
On May 01 2014 00:46 Roffles wrote:
Now you tell me with a straight face that adding someone like Flame won't immediately help any of these shit teams in North America who are playing scrubs who can only play like 1 champion.

To be fair, they probably aren't getting a known A-class top laner. It's more likely they got some B-team shitter who's ok with taking free money from NA scrubs.
Moderator
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 30 2014 16:17 GMT
#1603
On May 01 2014 01:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 00:46 Roffles wrote:
Now you tell me with a straight face that adding someone like Flame won't immediately help any of these shit teams in North America who are playing scrubs who can only play like 1 champion.

To be fair, they probably aren't getting a known A-class top laner. It's more likely they got some B-team shitter who's ok with taking free money from NA scrubs.

To be fair, anyone can replace Nientonsoh and be an improvement.
God Bless
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 30 2014 16:17 GMT
#1604
rumor mill says it's either expession or trace, both of whom are decent to great depending on who you ask
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 30 2014 16:18 GMT
#1605
On May 01 2014 01:12 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game.



I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.



I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.


so.... they're behind in... everything?


Yes, but I don’t think the difference is huge when it comes to laning. Again, JUST LANING.

The argument that this KR top laner is just going to come and destroy every single lane opponent is grossly exaggerated, especially in this anti snowball meta.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 30 2014 16:19 GMT
#1606
On May 01 2014 01:18 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 01:12 Dusty wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game.



I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.



I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.


so.... they're behind in... everything?


Yes, but I don’t think the difference is huge when it comes to laning. Again, JUST LANING.

The argument that this KR top laner is just going to come and destroy every single lane opponent is grossly exaggerated, especially in this anti snowball meta.

Uhh, Bjergsen came to NA and destroyed pretty much everyone. Why can't this Korean import do the same?
God Bless
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 30 2014 16:20 GMT
#1607
On May 01 2014 01:19 Roffles wrote:
Uhh, Bjergsen came to NA and destroyed pretty much everyone. Why can't this Korean import do the same?

Cuz EU APs #1, Roffles!
Moderator
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 30 2014 16:20 GMT
#1608
Rumble vs renek was game 2 of bota, Balls got a lot of help from Meteos and Soaz was screwed by some poor skirmishes, not because he didn't play to his champion's advantages. I think he plays renekton well, not on Asian level, but still one of the best in the west after Balls and Zoro (and maybe Darien lomo).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:21:56
April 30 2014 16:21 GMT
#1609
On May 01 2014 01:18 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 01:12 Dusty wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:17 chalice wrote:
the skill gap between korean and na top laners is so big that any bumps in the road caused by miscommunication will be easily smoothed over by winning lane virtually every game.



I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.



I think individual strengths wise NA is really not that behind. NA lacks teamfighting decision making and general strategies/execution/teamwork/communication.


so.... they're behind in... everything?


Yes, but I don’t think the difference is huge when it comes to laning. Again, JUST LANING.

The argument that this KR top laner is just going to come and destroy every single lane opponent is grossly exaggerated, especially in this anti snowball meta.

Well yeah you do have a point.In order for the korean guy to win lane they need to actually 1v1 and not just freeze on opposite sides of the map.

Soaz is a pretty shitty renekton dunno wtf you smoking bra.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 30 2014 16:23 GMT
#1610
Yeah he's a shitter compared to all these great western renektons like
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 30 2014 16:24 GMT
#1611
like hopefully expession
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:27:25
April 30 2014 16:27 GMT
#1612
On May 01 2014 01:17 Kyrie wrote:
rumor mill says it's either expession or trace, both of whom are decent to great depending on who you ask

As I told Roffles a few days ago I think Trace is a monster. He singlehandedly brought Aatrox into the Korean mainstream after world's and forced so many top lane Aatrox bans when he played. Has a lot of #potential so perfect for CLG.

Expession is still dying in the hospital I thought?
TranslatorBaa!
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 30 2014 16:29 GMT
#1613
we can rebuild him

we have the technology
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 30 2014 16:31 GMT
#1614
On May 01 2014 01:29 Kyrie wrote:
we can rebuild him

we have the technology


Half robot, half korean, half man
hi
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 30 2014 16:35 GMT
#1615
Problem is clg has no infrastructure to build young players. So they're forced to look for established players, and all the really good established players are already contracted to good teams. So now they have to look at crappy b-tier and c-tier players that none of the decent korean teams want anymore.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 30 2014 16:37 GMT
#1616
On May 01 2014 01:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Problem is clg has no infrastructure to build young players. So they're forced to look for established players, and all the really good established players are already contracted to good teams. So now they have to look at crappy b-tier and c-tier players that none of the decent korean teams want anymore.


What western teams have infrastructure to build young players? All they do is just scoop up some already established challenger team and don't even practice with them or train them.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:39:35
April 30 2014 16:39 GMT
#1617
fnatic rekkles, sort of
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 30 2014 16:41 GMT
#1618
Rekkles was already a good player and under fnatic contract he played mainly with CW. Fnatic didn't really do anything to grow him(Think they tried a team or he did and it failed). They just made sure no one else bought him.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:42:40
April 30 2014 16:41 GMT
#1619
On May 01 2014 01:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 01:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Problem is clg has no infrastructure to build young players. So they're forced to look for established players, and all the really good established players are already contracted to good teams. So now they have to look at crappy b-tier and c-tier players that none of the decent korean teams want anymore.


What western teams have infrastructure to build young players? All they do is just scoop up some already established challenger team and don't even practice with them or train them.

Curse academy is closest thing to farm team for talent. But for whatever reason they just never bother use those talents in their main roster.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:49:05
April 30 2014 16:45 GMT
#1620
On May 01 2014 01:41 Numy wrote:
Rekkles was already a good player and under fnatic contract he played mainly with CW. Fnatic didn't really do anything to grow him(Think they tried a team or he did and it failed). They just made sure no one else bought him.

the challenger b team system has been tried by basically every organization that could afford to do so, cloud 9 being the most recent. this gets dangerously close to the ESPORTS INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT ESPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE ESPORTS borefest that's been argued endlessly, but it's just a really difficult system to make work when being on a challenger 'farm team' isn't enough to allow players commit to gaming full time
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