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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 16:12:06
March 28 2014 16:11 GMT
#2061
On March 29 2014 01:08 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 01:06 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied.


Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules:

8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a
match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee
is absolute and final and there is no appeal process.

So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not?

Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3



Go post it on reddit and start a shitstorm, man.


I started reading the reddit thread afterwards and someone did actually mention this. Riot claims that the referee has to inform the team of a remake possibility but didn't therefore it's fine to do this post game. The issue with this is I can't find anywhere in the rulebook saying that a ref has to inform the team nor is there any type of appeal for post game remakes. According to Alex SK didn't even ask for a remake post game either. So where are all these rules coming from and what exactly is going on.

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On March 29 2014 01:07 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied.


Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules:

8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a
match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee
is absolute and final and there is no appeal process.

So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not?

Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3

We're just assuming that Freddy mentioned the bug during the pause and Riot let them keep playing, it's possible the pause was for something else. It's also possible they didn't realize until after the game was over.


No no they mentioned it. Look at the official statement:

Upon discovering the bug, the disadvantaged team correctly paused and identified the problem, which was easily visible and verifiable upon replay

Riot are saying that their rule is invalid since the ref didn't mention a remake to the player/team.

Just saw this and was about to edit my post. I got nothing then. Riot is fucking dumb.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 28 2014 16:12 GMT
#2062
On March 29 2014 01:07 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied.


Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules:

8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a
match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee
is absolute and final and there is no appeal process.

So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not?

Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3

We're just assuming that Freddy mentioned the bug during the pause and Riot let them keep playing, it's possible the pause was for something else. It's also possible they didn't realize until after the game was over.

But I should probably stop defending Riot because the cynic in my has taken over and a big part in why they are remaking this game is probably due to the multiple Reddit threads that were made regarding the bug. Those other examples you've mentioned often went unnoticed, but Riot probably felt like they needed to "make right" on this bug due to fan outcry. Hadn't thought about that until now.


When Riot is running out of apologists you know something's not right. Poor onlywonderbb
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 28 2014 16:15 GMT
#2063
On March 29 2014 01:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:
On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied.


Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules:

8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a
match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee
is absolute and final and there is no appeal process.

So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not?

Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3



Go post it on reddit and start a shitstorm, man.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/search?q=Official LCS Rules, Section 8.3.3: Finality of Judgement &restrict_sr=on
Someone is carrying the torch
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 28 2014 16:26 GMT
#2064
Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 28 2014 16:31 GMT
#2065
I feel Nick Allen can potentially get fired for making this decision. This is extremely damaging for Riot and LCS.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 28 2014 16:36 GMT
#2066
On March 29 2014 01:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking?


I think Riot just misunderstood the reason for the angry posts. It looked like most people were merely upset that Riot still has all these bugs with heroes that they just never seem to fix. Riots reaction to this is to remake the game? It doesn't do anything except make people more angry since the root cause isn't being addressed at all. If they were to ban all the heroes with bugs we would be down to half a hero roster. Hell people STILL walk through J4 ulti after so many years.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 28 2014 16:45 GMT
#2067
On March 29 2014 01:36 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 01:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking?


I think Riot just misunderstood the reason for the angry posts. It looked like most people were merely upset that Riot still has all these bugs with heroes that they just never seem to fix. Riots reaction to this is to remake the game? It doesn't do anything except make people more angry since the root cause isn't being addressed at all. If they were to ban all the heroes with bugs we would be down to half a hero roster. Hell people STILL walk through J4 ulti after so many years.


I actually think Riot made a terrible decision here.

I am pretty sure if they just kept the result for that game, there won't be as much shitstorm as it is now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 17:00:58
March 28 2014 16:58 GMT
#2068
Gambit statement on said issue: http://gambit-gaming.com/en/article/311

They sound pretty angry about it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 28 2014 17:05 GMT
#2069
Most of the time I say Riot don't know what they're doing because I don't like the direction the game is going, but this time I'm pretty sure they actually don't know what they're doing.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 28 2014 17:10 GMT
#2070
On March 29 2014 01:58 Ketara wrote:
Gambit statement on said issue: http://gambit-gaming.com/en/article/311

They sound pretty angry about it.


Legitimately, I think. Remaking the game is inconsistent with the official rules as well as the precedent of previous games.
I am the Town Medic.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 28 2014 17:12 GMT
#2071
i don't get it, whats the bug?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 28 2014 17:12 GMT
#2072
Yeah I think Gambit could have written the article in a better way, but their complaints are definitely legitimate. There are multiple good arguments as to why Riot shouldn't be doing this.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 28 2014 17:13 GMT
#2073
On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug?


Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 28 2014 17:15 GMT
#2074
I mean, the whole point of having so many games in a season is so small shit like this can slip through the cracks and not matter.

Too bad Eu's top 4 are all in contention for first place (or is it just top 3?)
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 28 2014 17:19 GMT
#2075
On March 29 2014 02:12 Ketara wrote:
Yeah I think Gambit could have written the article in a better way, but their complaints are definitely legitimate. There are multiple good arguments as to why Riot shouldn't be doing this.


Article was fine, imo. Gambit has every right to be pissed off.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 28 2014 17:21 GMT
#2076
On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug?


Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.

Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.
Glorious SEA doto
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 17:22:44
March 28 2014 17:22 GMT
#2077
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 28 2014 17:22 GMT
#2078
On March 29 2014 02:21 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug?


Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.

Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.

lol if he fixed it mid game then why are they crying about it? thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, he saw the bug and fixed it. its not like him getting increased healing for like.. a minute or two when nothing came out of its going to matter
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 17:24:39
March 28 2014 17:23 GMT
#2079
On March 29 2014 02:21 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug?


Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.

Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.

From what Alex wrote they didn't even know about the bug until they read about the reddit thread this morning. Darien switched his w to the extra damage proc some minutes after the initial pause and it was fixed in game.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 28 2014 17:27 GMT
#2080
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.

There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.
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