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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 28 2014 10:25 GMT
#2021
On March 28 2014 19:14 Scip wrote:
Also, in what lane would you even play Cho? I guess middle, he's pretty slow in jungle and his earlygame is pretty pathetic compared to the strongest junglers atm

He's a pretty good pick vs all these donger top lanes that keep coming up.
Moar banelings less qq
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 10:31:12
March 28 2014 10:29 GMT
#2022
No one plays cho because even at 40% cdr your cooldowns are still forfuckingever. his Q is easy to dodge. he's not mobile, flashy, or capable of outplays.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 10:34:28
March 28 2014 10:33 GMT
#2023
He doesn't have FoN anymore to be used as a Nidaspear wall.
#1 Lucian counter tho.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 28 2014 10:38 GMT
#2024
As the resident Cho main, top lane he's still playable with E max and aspd marks, but as far as I'm concerned, Chogath is dead.

RIP 5HIT
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 28 2014 10:44 GMT
#2025
Cho also got out of flavour due to the changes to penetration. Cho used to be the guy to finish off people with Feast, but most FotM can do the same damage as Cho in half the time.

True damage no longer op.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 28 2014 11:00 GMT
#2026
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 28 2014 11:11 GMT
#2027
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote:
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.

pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 28 2014 11:22 GMT
#2028
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 28 2014 11:25 GMT
#2029
On March 28 2014 20:11 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote:
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.

pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe
Moar banelings less qq
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 11:37:55
March 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#2030
On March 28 2014 20:25 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 20:11 arb wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote:
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.

pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe


This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.

Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 28 2014 11:47 GMT
#2031
On March 28 2014 20:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 20:25 IamPryda wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:11 arb wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote:
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.

pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe


This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.

Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.

he has just as good of waveclear as any of the popular tops, benefits like no other from tank stats, and has sustain that most toplanes couldn't even imagine
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 28 2014 12:03 GMT
#2032
On March 28 2014 20:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 20:25 IamPryda wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:11 arb wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote:
Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.

Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.

pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe


This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.

Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.

It also happened shortly after the Abyssal nerfs.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 28 2014 12:15 GMT
#2033
Of course having a skill shot isn't the be all and end all. But it certainly puts him at a disadvantage, considering Rupture being very hard to hit. Him having to hit Rupture to be in range to kill someone is pretty harsh on the Cho player.

He's still pretty darn good at farming, and getting a multi-man silence off in a team fight is good too. In the end, the majority of the popular picks feature high mobility and that isn't good for Cho. Plus mana LOL

zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 12:48:30
March 28 2014 12:24 GMT
#2034
I got to play against Heimer top as Olaf. I started doran's blade one pot. He was playing in front of his turrets trying to auto me, I landed my first axe and killed him with ghost/ignite at level 1. Got a second doran's blade, then boots spectre's cowl. Almost got him several times after that solo, but had to run away from his ult turret. Had like 30 more cs than him, and was up 4 or so kills on him.

I just kept killing his turrets with my axes and true damage, not much he could do to be honest- he'd run out of mana super fast and have to back (he rushed Zhonyas). He can't really bully Olaf out of lane because Olaf's sustain is too high, at least with a rune page with 2 vamp quints. I could see how other champions could struggle against him though.

On the other hand, I'm not sure there's any other champion that could have 12 deaths and could do as much damage as Heimer. Maybe Jax if the enemy team just completely ignored him? His ult turret does stupid amounts of damage.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 28 2014 12:52 GMT
#2035
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 28 2014 12:57 GMT
#2036
On March 28 2014 21:52 JimmiC wrote:
I dunno when the rune changes are happening, but do u guys think the LS reduction is going to change the common adc rune page?

unless sustain supports get back in flavor i doubt it
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 28 2014 12:58 GMT
#2037
In memory of the "dead" jungler on the dead champion:
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 28 2014 13:11 GMT
#2038
On March 28 2014 21:52 JimmiC wrote:
I dunno when the rune changes are happening, but do u guys think the LS reduction is going to change the common adc rune page?

Probably not. Might tip the scales to longsword3 being a standard opening to get to real lifesteal faster or feast becoming commonly taken, but there's no reason to not take them.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 13:43:04
March 28 2014 13:40 GMT
#2039
nvm
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
March 28 2014 13:55 GMT
#2040
Is there any point in going for the flat CDR glyphs instead of scaling ones after the rune changes? having 15% CDR in the late game is pretty fucking huge. And since the breakeven point is at lvl 9 when most champs have their main spell on level 5, i dont really see any point in going flat unless i really need a little bit of CDR in the beginning. But i cant think of a champ that really needs it
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