On March 28 2014 19:14 Scip wrote: Also, in what lane would you even play Cho? I guess middle, he's pretty slow in jungle and his earlygame is pretty pathetic compared to the strongest junglers atm
He's a pretty good pick vs all these donger top lanes that keep coming up.
No one plays cho because even at 40% cdr your cooldowns are still forfuckingever. his Q is easy to dodge. he's not mobile, flashy, or capable of outplays.
Cho also got out of flavour due to the changes to penetration. Cho used to be the guy to finish off people with Feast, but most FotM can do the same damage as Cho in half the time.
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote: Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.
Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote: Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.
Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote: Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.
Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe
This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.
Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote: Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.
Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe
This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.
Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.
he has just as good of waveclear as any of the popular tops, benefits like no other from tank stats, and has sustain that most toplanes couldn't even imagine
On March 28 2014 20:00 JazzVortical wrote: Relies on hitting one of the hardest skill shots in an era where nearly all the popular picks have a form of mobility. Makes Cho pretty sad.
Pretty hilarious as a full AP mage in ARAM's though.
pretty sure if you just practice you can do it. someone said characters with skillshots are worthless yet people still play gragas and ziggs and all that stuff?
gragas/ziggs cooldowns are much lower late game I believe
This was at a specific point in the life of league. Think even before OGN came about. Lots of Western pros shat on certain heroes claiming they were bad because you could just miss all your abilities then you were useless. I think a famous example is oddone calling Ezreal garbage when he was the most played ADC in China at the time(W max I believe). Just people being idiots more than anything about the heroes themselves.
Cho being bad isn't solely about his skillshots. He just doesn't offer what current picks do.
Of course having a skill shot isn't the be all and end all. But it certainly puts him at a disadvantage, considering Rupture being very hard to hit. Him having to hit Rupture to be in range to kill someone is pretty harsh on the Cho player.
He's still pretty darn good at farming, and getting a multi-man silence off in a team fight is good too. In the end, the majority of the popular picks feature high mobility and that isn't good for Cho. Plus mana LOL
I got to play against Heimer top as Olaf. I started doran's blade one pot. He was playing in front of his turrets trying to auto me, I landed my first axe and killed him with ghost/ignite at level 1. Got a second doran's blade, then boots spectre's cowl. Almost got him several times after that solo, but had to run away from his ult turret. Had like 30 more cs than him, and was up 4 or so kills on him.
I just kept killing his turrets with my axes and true damage, not much he could do to be honest- he'd run out of mana super fast and have to back (he rushed Zhonyas). He can't really bully Olaf out of lane because Olaf's sustain is too high, at least with a rune page with 2 vamp quints. I could see how other champions could struggle against him though.
On the other hand, I'm not sure there's any other champion that could have 12 deaths and could do as much damage as Heimer. Maybe Jax if the enemy team just completely ignored him? His ult turret does stupid amounts of damage.
On March 28 2014 21:52 JimmiC wrote: I dunno when the rune changes are happening, but do u guys think the LS reduction is going to change the common adc rune page?
unless sustain supports get back in flavor i doubt it
On March 28 2014 21:52 JimmiC wrote: I dunno when the rune changes are happening, but do u guys think the LS reduction is going to change the common adc rune page?
Probably not. Might tip the scales to longsword3 being a standard opening to get to real lifesteal faster or feast becoming commonly taken, but there's no reason to not take them.
Is there any point in going for the flat CDR glyphs instead of scaling ones after the rune changes? having 15% CDR in the late game is pretty fucking huge. And since the breakeven point is at lvl 9 when most champs have their main spell on level 5, i dont really see any point in going flat unless i really need a little bit of CDR in the beginning. But i cant think of a champ that really needs it