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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 03 2014 15:52 GMT
#761
Hey I'm diamond on EUW >.<
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 03 2014 16:06 GMT
#762
On March 04 2014 00:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 00:21 Numy wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:41 Yezzus wrote:
With Panth being super popular and strong in the jungle right now, its pretty obvious imo that Riot will throw down some nerfs on him soon. What do you guys think they will be? Ult CD nerf?

They already did on this patch, it was the mobies nerf which affected every jungler. Wukong is a bigger problem than pantheon right now and they decided to hit all junglers with the mobies nerf. Riot actually knew what they were doing here, I feel, even though as a jungle main it hurts, but when I'm undefeated on a champ through platinum and he's my most played there's something going on that needs to be changed.

I'm still undefeated and wukong is still my most played but yeah, they did right by targeting junglers with the mobility boots change. Pantheon is going to stay where he is. He's actually in a good spot right now, only too strong at the professional level.


With the Nocturne "soft-counter" coming around do you think he's still too strong?

I don't see how Nocturne counters Wukong at all. Wukong's strength is that he's like a Shaco til level 6 where he becomes a Pantheon that catches a team instead of catching one player. Nocturne was my s3 main and Wukong is my s4 and I feel that they're both strong (used Wukong/Wukong/Nocturne to promo to plat earlier this month) and now that damage junglers are a thing again they're both gonna be played quite a bit but in terms of strictly initiation, Wukong does it waaaaaaaaaay better and is a lot harder to play against. Counterganks are another thing but if you are a good jungler you will be in the right spot and Noc ult doesn't help as much against a player with perfect jungle sense as it does against scrublords with no sense of timing.

This applies to Pantheon too, if you're good at predicting jumps you can actually counter him pretty easily. The hard part is that a lot of the time in solo queue you have people who don't have an intuitive sense of jungle timings and they'll just derp into jumps over and over and there's not much you can do about it.


Oh sorry I was speaking about Pantheon Pro play. Last week on LCS people were saying/playing Nocturne as a "counter" to panth. So was wondering about it.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 03 2014 16:10 GMT
#763
How exactly is Noct considered a counter to panth? Is it because of his global ult as well?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#764
Can't counter gank Noct during his ult. Though I laugh at people calling Noc's ult a global. It's a glorified gap closer at lvl 1.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:14:47
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#765
Yeah I think it's that. Makes it harder for the other team to coordinate (though honestly it's LCS, not a big deal most of the time) and threatens the countergank.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 03 2014 16:17 GMT
#766
Noct beats panth 1v1 in jungle. Farms faster and wins 3v3 and 2v2.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:20:00
March 03 2014 16:19 GMT
#767
Omg I ask how Sej is, get 8 pages of Sej vs Mummy.....

I ASKED HOW SEJUANI IS BY HERSELF, NOT asking for a comparison of mummy vs Sej lol.

I assume that's impossible in this thread however, so forget it.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 03 2014 16:26 GMT
#768
On March 04 2014 01:13 KissBlade wrote:
Can't counter gank Noct during his ult. Though I laugh at people calling Noc's ult a global. It's a glorified gap closer at lvl 1.

You can on a voicechat client

I just tell people "PING NOC" in caps when darkness goes down
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 03 2014 16:26 GMT
#769
On March 03 2014 22:15 Omnishroud wrote:
No wonder i never see u online sponkz. Get back on and duoQ with my noob ass again. I also never see slayer/teut in LP anymore, he is above us now.


Dunno, i don't think I'll ever come back honestly. The way this game is circle jerking is just too damn confusing.
hi
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 03 2014 16:27 GMT
#770
On March 04 2014 01:06 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 00:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On March 04 2014 00:21 Numy wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:41 Yezzus wrote:
With Panth being super popular and strong in the jungle right now, its pretty obvious imo that Riot will throw down some nerfs on him soon. What do you guys think they will be? Ult CD nerf?

They already did on this patch, it was the mobies nerf which affected every jungler. Wukong is a bigger problem than pantheon right now and they decided to hit all junglers with the mobies nerf. Riot actually knew what they were doing here, I feel, even though as a jungle main it hurts, but when I'm undefeated on a champ through platinum and he's my most played there's something going on that needs to be changed.

I'm still undefeated and wukong is still my most played but yeah, they did right by targeting junglers with the mobility boots change. Pantheon is going to stay where he is. He's actually in a good spot right now, only too strong at the professional level.


With the Nocturne "soft-counter" coming around do you think he's still too strong?

I don't see how Nocturne counters Wukong at all. Wukong's strength is that he's like a Shaco til level 6 where he becomes a Pantheon that catches a team instead of catching one player. Nocturne was my s3 main and Wukong is my s4 and I feel that they're both strong (used Wukong/Wukong/Nocturne to promo to plat earlier this month) and now that damage junglers are a thing again they're both gonna be played quite a bit but in terms of strictly initiation, Wukong does it waaaaaaaaaay better and is a lot harder to play against. Counterganks are another thing but if you are a good jungler you will be in the right spot and Noc ult doesn't help as much against a player with perfect jungle sense as it does against scrublords with no sense of timing.

This applies to Pantheon too, if you're good at predicting jumps you can actually counter him pretty easily. The hard part is that a lot of the time in solo queue you have people who don't have an intuitive sense of jungle timings and they'll just derp into jumps over and over and there's not much you can do about it.


Oh sorry I was speaking about Pantheon Pro play. Last week on LCS people were saying/playing Nocturne as a "counter" to panth. So was wondering about it.

Oh I see, I thought you were talking about Wukong, who's really a much larger problem atm lol

Pretty sure he's the strongest jungler at the moment, although Vi is more consistent
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 03 2014 16:31 GMT
#771
ye wukong is broken, that ult wins teamfights singlehandedly.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:41:28
March 03 2014 16:33 GMT
#772
On March 04 2014 00:52 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Hey I'm diamond on EUW >.<

Proofe iet

I'm still waiting for IMOperator post that isn't a shitty balance whine that would get instabanned on sc2 forums. I mean seriously. Find me one person who is genuinely interested in your opinions on balance and I'll post the greatest apology letter you've seen
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 03 2014 16:44 GMT
#773
On March 04 2014 01:31 IMoperator wrote:
ye wukong is broken, that ult wins teamfights singlehandedly.



And here's the perfect example of the circle jerking that i was talking about. Shame on you.
hi
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 03 2014 16:57 GMT
#774
Wukong used to be played top, but FotM shit like Renekton or Shyvana wrecks him without even trying, Darius has one of the most one-sided match-ups in the whole game, and meta-dependant stuff like Shen (or possibly Lee, the match-up is shit on paper but maybe I'm missing something that could help Wukong) doesn't really care about him either.

Then people realised that all this time he absolutely crushed squishy mids (including several of those AD that were sent there too) but right after AD casters/bruisers started being sent mid people realised Jayce and Kha'Zix were so damn broken they eclipsed all of them so back to the dark corner for monkey.

Jungle changes made his clear less painful, not having to be able to gank and camp from level 2 onwards (or buff to buff level 3) helped his meh early levels, and generally higher xpm helped his "farm till 6" status.

What makes him that broken, then? His jungling doesn't seem that strong.
Is it that Wukong in general is an extremely strong teamfighter post-6 (and especially post-11, when he gets a big base damage increase on his ult and probably has some AD to use the scaling), and it just so happens that the jungle is the only viable role for him at a high-level in the current meta?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 17:03:30
March 03 2014 16:58 GMT
#775
On March 04 2014 01:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:06 Numy wrote:
On March 04 2014 00:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On March 04 2014 00:21 Numy wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On March 03 2014 23:41 Yezzus wrote:
With Panth being super popular and strong in the jungle right now, its pretty obvious imo that Riot will throw down some nerfs on him soon. What do you guys think they will be? Ult CD nerf?

They already did on this patch, it was the mobies nerf which affected every jungler. Wukong is a bigger problem than pantheon right now and they decided to hit all junglers with the mobies nerf. Riot actually knew what they were doing here, I feel, even though as a jungle main it hurts, but when I'm undefeated on a champ through platinum and he's my most played there's something going on that needs to be changed.

I'm still undefeated and wukong is still my most played but yeah, they did right by targeting junglers with the mobility boots change. Pantheon is going to stay where he is. He's actually in a good spot right now, only too strong at the professional level.


With the Nocturne "soft-counter" coming around do you think he's still too strong?

I don't see how Nocturne counters Wukong at all. Wukong's strength is that he's like a Shaco til level 6 where he becomes a Pantheon that catches a team instead of catching one player. Nocturne was my s3 main and Wukong is my s4 and I feel that they're both strong (used Wukong/Wukong/Nocturne to promo to plat earlier this month) and now that damage junglers are a thing again they're both gonna be played quite a bit but in terms of strictly initiation, Wukong does it waaaaaaaaaay better and is a lot harder to play against. Counterganks are another thing but if you are a good jungler you will be in the right spot and Noc ult doesn't help as much against a player with perfect jungle sense as it does against scrublords with no sense of timing.

This applies to Pantheon too, if you're good at predicting jumps you can actually counter him pretty easily. The hard part is that a lot of the time in solo queue you have people who don't have an intuitive sense of jungle timings and they'll just derp into jumps over and over and there's not much you can do about it.


Oh sorry I was speaking about Pantheon Pro play. Last week on LCS people were saying/playing Nocturne as a "counter" to panth. So was wondering about it.

Oh I see, I thought you were talking about Wukong, who's really a much larger problem atm lol

Pretty sure he's the strongest jungler at the moment, although Vi is more consistent


Dunno about Wukong being the "strongest" but he is a top tier jungler, along with Elise/Vi/Panth. I want to say Lee is up there too but only if you are a top-tier pro jungler, otherwise he is definitely not top tier. Olaf is close to top tier but he's harder than all of those/more situational

On March 04 2014 01:57 Alaric wrote:What makes him that broken, then? His jungling doesn't seem that strong.
Is it that Wukong in general is an extremely strong teamfighter post-6 (and especially post-11, when he gets a big base damage increase on his ult and probably has some AD to use the scaling), and it just so happens that the jungle is the only viable role for him at a high-level in the current meta?


pretty much nailed it on the head. He is probably the best scaling lategame bruiser and in soloq 99% of junglers have no idea to how shut down enemy junglers. He snowballs pretty hard too due to his great AD ratios, not to mention having a 30% shred on his basic ability. Combine that with being pretty easy to play, and you have a formula for being "op"
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 03 2014 16:59 GMT
#776
Has anyone played Kass since the new changes? Can he still snowball/carry pretty hard? Haven't seen one yet im really curious
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 17:02:51
March 03 2014 17:01 GMT
#777
On March 04 2014 01:59 Yezzus wrote:
Has anyone played Kass since the new changes? Can he still snowball/carry pretty hard? Haven't seen one yet im really curious


Nobody gets to play Kassadin. He has been banished.

Looking at statistics on lolking though his winrate has dropped a lot even though the play rate is still under 4%.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 03 2014 17:03 GMT
#778
--- Nuked ---
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 03 2014 17:07 GMT
#779
On March 04 2014 01:57 Alaric wrote:
Wukong used to be played top, but FotM shit like Renekton or Shyvana wrecks him without even trying, Darius has one of the most one-sided match-ups in the whole game, and meta-dependant stuff like Shen (or possibly Lee, the match-up is shit on paper but maybe I'm missing something that could help Wukong) doesn't really care about him either.

Then people realised that all this time he absolutely crushed squishy mids (including several of those AD that were sent there too) but right after AD casters/bruisers started being sent mid people realised Jayce and Kha'Zix were so damn broken they eclipsed all of them so back to the dark corner for monkey.

Jungle changes made his clear less painful, not having to be able to gank and camp from level 2 onwards (or buff to buff level 3) helped his meh early levels, and generally higher xpm helped his "farm till 6" status.

What makes him that broken, then? His jungling doesn't seem that strong.
Is it that Wukong in general is an extremely strong teamfighter post-6 (and especially post-11, when he gets a big base damage increase on his ult and probably has some AD to use the scaling), and it just so happens that the jungle is the only viable role for him at a high-level in the current meta?

It also helps that with just SotEL and brutalizer he can 100-0 an ADC all the way til lategame. The knock up utility is also very strong, especially if you don't suck with it.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 03 2014 17:23 GMT
#780
Anyone in bronze/silver wanna duo with me? I am getting too many trolls on my smurf and it has become very frustrating to play (low bronzies are really unpredictable). I am 2-3 on my provision matches lol.

All I ask from you is to not ragequit and expect me to only play nocturne. I was gold 2 last season and I am gold 2 now, in case that matters. Add me if you are interested 'bad riven bot'.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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