[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 39

On March 04 2014 00:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

I don't see how Nocturne counters Wukong at all. Wukong's strength is that he's like a Shaco til level 6 where he becomes a Pantheon that catches a team instead of catching one player. Nocturne was my s3 main and Wukong is my s4 and I feel that they're both strong (used Wukong/Wukong/Nocturne to promo to plat earlier this month) and now that damage junglers are a thing again they're both gonna be played quite a bit but in terms of strictly initiation, Wukong does it waaaaaaaaaay better and is a lot harder to play against. Counterganks are another thing but if you are a good jungler you will be in the right spot and Noc ult doesn't help as much against a player with perfect jungle sense as it does against scrublords with no sense of timing.

This applies to Pantheon too, if you're good at predicting jumps you can actually counter him pretty easily. The hard part is that a lot of the time in solo queue you have people who don't have an intuitive sense of jungle timings and they'll just derp into jumps over and over and there's not much you can do about it.

On March 04 2014 01:13 KissBlade wrote:
Can't counter gank Noct during his ult. Though I laugh at people calling Noc's ult a global. It's a glorified gap closer at lvl 1.

On March 03 2014 22:15 Omnishroud wrote:
No wonder i never see u online sponkz. Get back on and duoQ with my noob ass again. I also never see slayer/teut in LP anymore, he is above us now.

On March 04 2014 01:06 Numy wrote:


Oh sorry I was speaking about Pantheon Pro play. Last week on LCS people were saying/playing Nocturne as a "counter" to panth. So was wondering about it.

On March 04 2014 00:52 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Hey I'm diamond on EUW >.<

On March 04 2014 01:31 IMoperator wrote:
ye wukong is broken, that ult wins teamfights singlehandedly.

On March 04 2014 01:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

Oh I see, I thought you were talking about Wukong, who's really a much larger problem atm lol

Pretty sure he's the strongest jungler at the moment, although Vi is more consistent

On March 04 2014 01:57 Alaric wrote:What makes him that broken, then? His jungling doesn't seem that strong.
Is it that Wukong in general is an extremely strong teamfighter post-6 (and especially post-11, when he gets a big base damage increase on his ult and probably has some AD to use the scaling), and it just so happens that the jungle is the only viable role for him at a high-level in the current meta?

On March 04 2014 01:59 Yezzus wrote:
Has anyone played Kass since the new changes? Can he still snowball/carry pretty hard? Haven't seen one yet im really curious

On March 04 2014 01:57 Alaric wrote:
Wukong used to be played top, but FotM shit like Renekton or Shyvana wrecks him without even trying, Darius has one of the most one-sided match-ups in the whole game, and meta-dependant stuff like Shen (or possibly Lee, the match-up is shit on paper but maybe I'm missing something that could help Wukong) doesn't really care about him either.

Then people realised that all this time he absolutely crushed squishy mids (including several of those AD that were sent there too) but right after AD casters/bruisers started being sent mid people realised Jayce and Kha'Zix were so damn broken they eclipsed all of them so back to the dark corner for monkey.

Jungle changes made his clear less painful, not having to be able to gank and camp from level 2 onwards (or buff to buff level 3) helped his meh early levels, and generally higher xpm helped his "farm till 6" status.

What makes him that broken, then? His jungling doesn't seem that strong.
Is it that Wukong in general is an extremely strong teamfighter post-6 (and especially post-11, when he gets a big base damage increase on his ult and probably has some AD to use the scaling), and it just so happens that the jungle is the only viable role for him at a high-level in the current meta?